From: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
Cc: "Luis R. Rodriguez" <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
josh@joshtriplett.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com, jiangshanlai@gmail.com,
paul.gortmaker@windriver.com, ebiederm@xmission.com,
dmitry.torokhov@gmail.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
oleg@redhat.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] rcu: use killable versions of swait
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2017 17:50:39 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170615155039.GP27288@wotan.suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170614234345.GX3721@linux.vnet.ibm.com>
On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 04:43:45PM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at 04:06:39PM -0700, Luis R. Rodriguez wrote:
> > These waits don't even check for the return value for interruption,
> > using the non-killable variants means we could be killed by other
> > signals than SIGKILL, this is fragile.
>
> A number of people asserted that kthreads could never catch signals.
> I checked this at the time, and it seemed like this was the case, and
> the call to ignore_signals() seems to confirm this.
>
> So it looks to me like RCU doesn't care about this change (give or
> take any affect on the load average, anyway), but there is much that I
> don't know about Linux-kernel signal handling, so please feel free to
> educate me.
Thanks, I had seen the kthread but figured best to ask, just got into parnaoia
mode. If we were to do a sanity check for usage we'd then have to white list
when kthreads are used, however since we don't care to be interrupted why not
use a wait which is also explicit about our current uninterruptible state?
> > Signed-off-by: Luis R. Rodriguez <mcgrof@kernel.org>
> > ---
> >
> > The killable swaits were just posted [1] as part of a series where SIGCHLD
> > was detected as interrupting and killing kernel calls waiting using
> > non-killable swaits [1]. The fragility here made curious about other callers
> > and seeing if they really meant to use such broad wait which captures a lot
> > of signals.
> >
> > I can't see why we'd want to have these killed by other signals, specialy
> > since it seems we don't even check for the return value... Granted to abort
> > properly we'd have to check for the return value for -ERESTARTSYS, but yeah,
> > none of this is done, so it would seem we don't want fragile signals
> > interrupting these ?
>
> The later WARN_ON(signal_pending(current)) complains if a signal somehow
> makes it to this task. Assuming that the signal is nonfatal, anyway.
I see, how about just using swait_event_timeout() and removing the WARN_ON()?
Is there a reason for having the interruptible ?
> > Also can someone confirm if the original change of to swait_event_timeout()
> > from wait_event_interruptible_timeout() was actually intentional on
> > synchronize_sched_expedited_wait() on commit abedf8e2419fb ("rcu: Use simple
> > wait queues where possible in rcutree") ? I can't easily confirm.
>
> This is also called from a workqueue (at least once the core_initcall()s
> get done), which again should mean no signals. A WARN_ON(ret < 0)
> complains if this ever changes. So it should be OK that this is
> swait_event_timeout(). And expedited grace periods are supposed to
> get done quickly, so effect on the load average should be negligible.
Great thanks.
> Or am I missing something?
No, just got into parnoia mode and better to ask than be sorry later!
Luis
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-06-15 15:50 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-06-14 23:06 Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-14 23:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-15 15:50 ` Luis R. Rodriguez [this message]
2017-06-15 16:22 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-15 16:35 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-15 16:55 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-15 18:48 ` [RFC v2 0/2] swait: add idle to make idle-hacks on kthreads explicit Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-15 18:48 ` [RFC v2 1/2] swait: add idle variants which don't contribute to load average Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-16 0:47 ` Boqun Feng
2017-06-20 21:32 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-16 20:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-19 17:53 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-15 18:48 ` [RFC v2 2/2] rcu: use idle versions of swait to make idle-hack clear Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-15 21:57 ` [RFC v2 0/2] swait: add idle to make idle-hacks on kthreads explicit Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-15 23:26 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-15 23:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-16 20:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
2017-06-19 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-20 21:45 ` [PATCH " Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-20 21:45 ` [PATCH 1/2] swait: add idle variants which don't contribute to load average Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-20 21:45 ` [PATCH 2/2] rcu: use idle versions of swait to make idle-hack clear Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-21 16:48 ` [PATCH 0/2] swait: add idle to make idle-hacks on kthreads explicit Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-21 17:57 ` Luis R. Rodriguez
2017-06-21 18:19 ` Paul E. McKenney
2017-06-15 17:34 ` [RFC] rcu: use killable versions of swait Paul E. McKenney
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