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From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
	Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder (previously undwarf)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:27:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170712082710.g2syanmhtwqeus4o@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1499786555.git.jpoimboe@redhat.com>


* Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:

> The biggest change is that undwarf was renamed to ORC.  Here's the
> relevant explanation from the docs:
> 
>   Etymology
>   ---------
>   
>   Orcs, fearsome creatures of medieval folklore, are the Dwarves' natural
>   enemies.  Similarly, the ORC unwinder was created in opposition to the
>   complexity and slowness of DWARF.
>   
>   "Although Orcs rarely consider multiple solutions to a problem, they do
>   excel at getting things done because they are creatures of action, not
>   thought." [3]  Similarly, unlike the esoteric DWARF unwinder, the
>   veracious ORC unwinder wastes no time or siloconic effort decoding
>   variable-length zero-extended unsigned-integer byte-coded
>   state-machine-based debug information entries.
>   
>   Similar to how Orcs frequently unravel the well-intentioned plans of
>   their adversaries, the ORC unwinder frequently unravels stacks with
>   brutal, unyielding efficiency.
>   
>   ORC stands for Oops Rewind Capability.

Perfect naming!

(ORC might also stand for "Optimized Rewind Capability".)

> Create a new "ORC" unwinder, enabled by CONFIG_ORC_UNWINDER, and plug it
> into the x86 unwinder framework.  Objtool is used to generate the ORC
> debuginfo.  The ORC debuginfo format is basically a simplified version
> of DWARF CFI.  More details below.

BTW., we should perhaps consolidate our unwinder related Kconfig space, 
hierarchically:

	CONFIG_UNWINDER
	CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC
	CONFIG_UNWINDER_FRAME_POINTERS

Note that as a side effect it would be a valid small systems build option to have 
no unwinder at all, if CONFIG_EXPERT=y is set and such: !CONFIG_UNWINDER=n would 
be a sibling to !CONFIG_BUG.

CONFIG_FRAME_POINTERS et al would be left for architectures where it has a meaning 
beyond backtrace generation. (Not sure whether there's any such architectures.)

> The unwinder works well in my testing.  It unwinds through interrupts,
> exceptions, and preemption, with and without frame pointers, across
> aligned stacks and dynamically allocated stacks.  If something goes
> wrong during an oops, it successfully falls back to printing the '?'
> entries just like the frame pointer unwinder.

Ok, I'll start applying your patches after -rc1, unless anyone objects.

> The ORC data format does have a few downsides compared to DWARF.  The
> ORC unwind tables take up ~1MB more memory than DWARF eh_frame tables.

Could we also write this in percentage, not absolute RAM size - i.e. ORC unwind 
tables take 30% more RAM (+0.7 MB on an x86 defconfig kernel) than DWARF eh_frame 
tables.

Thanks,

	Ingo

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-12  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-11 15:33 Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] x86/entry/64: Refactor IRQ stacks and make them NMI-safe Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:40   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] x86/entry/64: Initialize the top of the IRQ stack before switching stacks Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:41   ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] x86/dumpstack: fix occasionally missing registers Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:41   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/dumpstack: Fix " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] x86/dumpstack: fix interrupt and exception stack boundary checks Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:42   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/dumpstack: Fix " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] objtool: add ORC unwind table generation Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:42   ` [tip:x86/asm] objtool: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] objtool, x86: add facility for asm code to provide unwind hints Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:43   ` [tip:x86/asm] objtool, x86: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] x86/entry/64: add unwind hint annotations Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:43   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry/64: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] x86/asm: add unwind hint annotations to sync_core() Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:43   ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/asm: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] x86/unwind: add ORC unwinder Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-14 17:22   ` [PATCH v3.1 " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-20  7:12     ` Jiri Slaby
2017-07-20 21:16       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] x86/kconfig: make it easier to switch to the new " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12  8:27 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-07-12 14:42   ` [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder (previously undwarf) Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 19:27     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-14 17:17       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-25  9:09         ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-25 17:58           ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-25 18:46             ` Kees Cook
2017-07-12 21:49 ` Andres Freund
2017-07-12 22:32   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 22:36     ` Andres Freund
2017-07-12 22:40       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 22:54         ` Andres Freund
2017-07-13  7:12     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13  8:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13  8:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13  9:19           ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-13 12:17             ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13 12:21               ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13 12:35                 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-14  8:33                   ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-14  8:29               ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-25 11:55             ` [RFC] perf: Delayed userspace unwind (Was: [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder) Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-28 14:13               ` Jiri Olsa
2017-07-28 14:21                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-29  3:35               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-29  9:28                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 22:30 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder (previously undwarf) Andi Kleen
2017-07-12 22:47   ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13  4:29     ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13 13:15       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13  9:29     ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-12 23:22   ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-13  3:03   ` Mike Galbraith
2017-07-13  4:15     ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13  4:28       ` Mike Galbraith
2017-07-13  4:40         ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13  5:22           ` Mike Galbraith
2017-07-13 12:02           ` Jiri Kosina

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