From: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
To: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>
Cc: x86@kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
live-patching@vger.kernel.org,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>, Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>,
"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder (previously undwarf)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2017 10:27:10 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170712082710.g2syanmhtwqeus4o@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <cover.1499786555.git.jpoimboe@redhat.com>
* Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com> wrote:
> The biggest change is that undwarf was renamed to ORC. Here's the
> relevant explanation from the docs:
>
> Etymology
> ---------
>
> Orcs, fearsome creatures of medieval folklore, are the Dwarves' natural
> enemies. Similarly, the ORC unwinder was created in opposition to the
> complexity and slowness of DWARF.
>
> "Although Orcs rarely consider multiple solutions to a problem, they do
> excel at getting things done because they are creatures of action, not
> thought." [3] Similarly, unlike the esoteric DWARF unwinder, the
> veracious ORC unwinder wastes no time or siloconic effort decoding
> variable-length zero-extended unsigned-integer byte-coded
> state-machine-based debug information entries.
>
> Similar to how Orcs frequently unravel the well-intentioned plans of
> their adversaries, the ORC unwinder frequently unravels stacks with
> brutal, unyielding efficiency.
>
> ORC stands for Oops Rewind Capability.
Perfect naming!
(ORC might also stand for "Optimized Rewind Capability".)
> Create a new "ORC" unwinder, enabled by CONFIG_ORC_UNWINDER, and plug it
> into the x86 unwinder framework. Objtool is used to generate the ORC
> debuginfo. The ORC debuginfo format is basically a simplified version
> of DWARF CFI. More details below.
BTW., we should perhaps consolidate our unwinder related Kconfig space,
hierarchically:
CONFIG_UNWINDER
CONFIG_UNWINDER_ORC
CONFIG_UNWINDER_FRAME_POINTERS
Note that as a side effect it would be a valid small systems build option to have
no unwinder at all, if CONFIG_EXPERT=y is set and such: !CONFIG_UNWINDER=n would
be a sibling to !CONFIG_BUG.
CONFIG_FRAME_POINTERS et al would be left for architectures where it has a meaning
beyond backtrace generation. (Not sure whether there's any such architectures.)
> The unwinder works well in my testing. It unwinds through interrupts,
> exceptions, and preemption, with and without frame pointers, across
> aligned stacks and dynamically allocated stacks. If something goes
> wrong during an oops, it successfully falls back to printing the '?'
> entries just like the frame pointer unwinder.
Ok, I'll start applying your patches after -rc1, unless anyone objects.
> The ORC data format does have a few downsides compared to DWARF. The
> ORC unwind tables take up ~1MB more memory than DWARF eh_frame tables.
Could we also write this in percentage, not absolute RAM size - i.e. ORC unwind
tables take 30% more RAM (+0.7 MB on an x86 defconfig kernel) than DWARF eh_frame
tables.
Thanks,
Ingo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2017-07-12 8:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2017-07-11 15:33 Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 01/10] x86/entry/64: Refactor IRQ stacks and make them NMI-safe Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:40 ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 02/10] x86/entry/64: Initialize the top of the IRQ stack before switching stacks Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:41 ` [tip:x86/asm] " tip-bot for Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 03/10] x86/dumpstack: fix occasionally missing registers Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:41 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/dumpstack: Fix " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 04/10] x86/dumpstack: fix interrupt and exception stack boundary checks Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:42 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/dumpstack: Fix " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 05/10] objtool: add ORC unwind table generation Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:42 ` [tip:x86/asm] objtool: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 06/10] objtool, x86: add facility for asm code to provide unwind hints Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:43 ` [tip:x86/asm] objtool, x86: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 07/10] x86/entry/64: add unwind hint annotations Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:43 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/entry/64: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 08/10] x86/asm: add unwind hint annotations to sync_core() Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-18 10:43 ` [tip:x86/asm] x86/asm: Add " tip-bot for Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 09/10] x86/unwind: add ORC unwinder Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-14 17:22 ` [PATCH v3.1 " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-20 7:12 ` Jiri Slaby
2017-07-20 21:16 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-11 15:33 ` [PATCH v3 10/10] x86/kconfig: make it easier to switch to the new " Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 8:27 ` Ingo Molnar [this message]
2017-07-12 14:42 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder (previously undwarf) Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 19:27 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-14 17:17 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-25 9:09 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-25 17:58 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-25 18:46 ` Kees Cook
2017-07-12 21:49 ` Andres Freund
2017-07-12 22:32 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 22:36 ` Andres Freund
2017-07-12 22:40 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-12 22:54 ` Andres Freund
2017-07-13 7:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 8:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 8:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-13 9:19 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-13 12:17 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13 12:21 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13 12:35 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-14 8:33 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-14 8:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-25 11:55 ` [RFC] perf: Delayed userspace unwind (Was: [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder) Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-28 14:13 ` Jiri Olsa
2017-07-28 14:21 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-29 3:35 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-29 9:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-07-12 22:30 ` [PATCH v3 00/10] x86: ORC unwinder (previously undwarf) Andi Kleen
2017-07-12 22:47 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13 4:29 ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13 13:15 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2017-07-13 9:29 ` Ingo Molnar
2017-07-12 23:22 ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-07-13 3:03 ` Mike Galbraith
2017-07-13 4:15 ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13 4:28 ` Mike Galbraith
2017-07-13 4:40 ` Andi Kleen
2017-07-13 5:22 ` Mike Galbraith
2017-07-13 12:02 ` Jiri Kosina
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