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From: Don Zickus <dzickus@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ulrich Obergfell <uobergfe@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Sebastian Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Nicholas Piggin <npiggin@gmail.com>,
	Chris Metcalf <cmetcalf@mellanox.com>
Subject: Re: [patch 11/29] lockup_detector: Remove park_in_progress hackery
Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2017 11:15:31 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170905151531.4rw3e4ab5qpamstz@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20170904121050.dsqbh3efmkteu3qj@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 02:10:50PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 04, 2017 at 01:09:06PM +0200, Ulrich Obergfell wrote:
> 
> > - A thread hogs CPU N (soft lockup) so that watchdog/N is unable to run.
> > - A user re-configures 'watchdog_thresh' on the fly. The reconfiguration
> >   requires parking/unparking of all watchdog threads.
> 
> This is where you fail, its silly to require parking for
> reconfiguration.

Hi Peter,

Ok, please elaborate.  Unless I am misunderstanding, that is what Thomas
requested us do years ago when he implemented the parking/unparking scheme
and what his current patch set is doing now.

The point of parking I believe was to avoid the overhead of tearing down a
thread and restarting it when the code needed to update various lockup
detector settings.

So if we can't depend on parking for reconfiguration, then are the other
options (besides tearing down threads)?

I am not trying to be argumentative here, just trying to fill in the
disconnect between us.


Hi Uli,

I think the race you detailed is solved with Thomas's patches. In the
original design we set the sample period first, then tried parking the
threads, which created the mess.  With this patchset, Thomas properly
parks the threads first, then sets the sample period, thus avoiding the race
I believe.  You should be able to see that in patch 16,
softlockup_reconfigure_threads().

Cheers,
Don

  reply	other threads:[~2017-09-05 15:15 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 47+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-31  7:15 [patch 00/29] lockup_detector: Cure hotplug deadlocks and replace duct tape Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:15 ` [patch 01/29] hardlockup_detector: Provide interface to stop/restart perf events Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-06 16:14   ` Borislav Petkov
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 02/29] perf/x86/intel: Sanitize PMU HT bug workaround Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 03/29] lockup_detector: Provide interface to stop from poweroff() Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 04/29] parisc: Use lockup_detector_stop() Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 05/29] lockup_detector: Remove broken suspend/resume interfaces Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 06/29] lockup_detector: Rework cpu hotplug locking Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 07/29] lockup_detector: Rename watchdog_proc_mutex Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 08/29] lockup_detector: Mark hardlockup_detector_disable() __init Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 09/29] lockup_detector/perf: Remove broken self disable on failure Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 10/29] lockup_detector/perf: Prevent cpu hotplug deadlock Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-01 19:02   ` Don Zickus
2017-09-01 19:29     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-05 14:51       ` Don Zickus
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 11/29] lockup_detector: Remove park_in_progress hackery Thomas Gleixner
     [not found]   ` <CAEeg4=CJohPTi8FUNWqb3egsbZnExyJapcNC7wD-2amXTsMrYw@mail.gmail.com>
2017-09-04 12:10     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-09-05 15:15       ` Don Zickus [this message]
2017-09-05 15:42         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-05 13:58     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-05 19:19       ` [patch V2 11/29] lockup_detector: Remove park_in_progress obfuscation Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-14 10:43         ` [tip:core/urgent] watchdog/core: Remove the " tip-bot for Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 12/29] lockup_detector: Cleanup stub functions Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 13/29] lockup_detector: Cleanup the ifdef maze Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 14/29] lockup_detector: Split out cpumask write function Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 15/29] smpboot/threads: Avoid runtime allocation Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 16/29] lockup_detector: Create new thread handling infrastructure Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 17/29] lockup_detector: Get rid of the thread teardown/setup dance Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-01 19:08   ` Don Zickus
2017-09-01 19:45     ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 18/29] lockup_detector: Further simplify sysctl handling Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 19/29] lockup_detector: Cleanup header mess Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 20/29] lockup_detector/sysctl: Get rid of the ifdeffery Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 21/29] lockup_detector: Cleanup sysctl variable name space Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 22/29] lockup_detector: Make watchdog_nmi_reconfigure() two stage Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 23/29] lockup_detector: Get rid of the racy update loop Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 24/29] lockup_detector/perf: Implement init time perf validation Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-07 15:58   ` Don Zickus
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 25/29] lockup_detector: Implement init time detection of perf Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 26/29] lockup_detector/perf: Implement CPU enable replacement Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 27/29] lockup_detector: Use new perf CPU enable mechanism Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 28/29] lockup_detector/perf: Simplify deferred event destroy Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31  7:16 ` [patch 29/29] lockup_detector: Cleanup hotplug locking mess Thomas Gleixner
2017-08-31 22:10 ` [patch 00/29] lockup_detector: Cure hotplug deadlocks and replace duct tape Don Zickus
2017-09-01  4:42   ` Nicholas Piggin
2017-09-01  9:18   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-09-07 16:04 ` Don Zickus

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