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From: Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@foss.arm.com>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Brendan Jackman <brendan.jackman@arm.com>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <morten.rasmussen@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/5] sched: Add NOHZ_STATS_KICK
Date: Thu, 18 Jan 2018 10:38:07 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180118103807.GD28799@e105550-lin.cambridge.arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180115082609.GA6320@linaro.org>

On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 09:26:09AM +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> Le Wednesday 03 Jan 2018 à 10:16:00 (+0100), Vincent Guittot a écrit :
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > On 22 December 2017 at 21:42, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Dec 22, 2017 at 07:56:29PM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > >> Right; but I figured we'd try and do it 'right' and see how horrible it
> > >> is before we try and do funny things.
> > >
> > > So now it should have a 32ms tick for up to .5s when the system goes
> > > completely idle.
> > >
> > > No idea how bad that is..
> > 
> > I have tested your branch but the timer doesn't seem to fire correctly
> > because i can still see blocked load in the use case i have run.
> > I haven't found the reason yet
> 
> Hi Peter,
> 
> With the patch below on top of your branch, the blocked loads are updated and
> decayed regularly. The main differences are:
> - It doesn't use a timer to trig ilb but the tick and when a cpu becomes idle.
>   The main drawback of this solution is that the load is blocked when the
>   system is fully idle with the advantage of not waking up a fully idle
>   system. We have to wait for the next tick or newly idle event for updating
>   blocked load when the system leaves idle stat which can be up to a tick long.
>   If this is too long, we can check for kicking ilb when task wakes up so the
>   blocked load will be updated as soon as the system leaves idle state.
>   The main advantage is that we don't wake up a fully idle system every 32ms to
>   update blocked load that will be not used.
> - I'm working on one more improvement to use nohz_idle_balance in the newly
>   idle case when the system is not overloaded and 
>   (this_rq->avg_idle > sysctl_sched_migration_cost). In this case, we can try to
>   use nohz_idle_balance with NOHZ_STATS_KICK and abort as soon as it exceed
>   this_rq->avg_idle. This will remove some calls to kick_ilb and some wake up
>   of an idle cpus.

This sound like what I meant in my other reply :-)

It seems pointless to have a timer to update PELT if the system is
completely idle, and when it isn't we can piggy back other events to
make the updates happen.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-01-18 10:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-12-21 10:21 [RFC PATCH 0/5] sched: On remote stats updates Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-21 10:21 ` [RFC PATCH 1/5] sched: Convert nohz_flags to atomic_t Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-21 10:21 ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] sched: Add NOHZ_STATS_KICK Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-21 16:23   ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-21 16:56     ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-22  7:59       ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-22  8:05         ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-22  8:29           ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-22  9:12             ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-22 14:31               ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-22 14:34                 ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-22 14:32               ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-22 18:56                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-22 20:42                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-02 15:44                     ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-01-15  9:43                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-18 10:32                         ` Morten Rasmussen
2018-01-03  9:16                     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-01-15  8:26                       ` Vincent Guittot
2018-01-18 10:38                         ` Morten Rasmussen [this message]
2018-01-24  8:25                           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-01-29 18:43                             ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-01-30  8:00                               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-01-29 19:31                             ` Valentin Schneider
2018-01-30  8:32                               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-01-30 11:41                                 ` Valentin Schneider
2018-01-30 13:05                                   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-05 22:18                                   ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-06  9:22                                     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-01 18:16                               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-01 16:57                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-01 17:26                               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-01 18:10                             ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-01 19:11                               ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06  8:32                               ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: Stop nohz stats when decayed Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06  8:32                                 ` [PATCH 2/3] sched: reduce the periodic update duration Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06  8:32                                 ` [PATCH 3/3] sched: update blocked load when newly idle Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06 14:32                                   ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-06 16:17                                     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06 16:32                                       ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-06  8:55                                 ` [PATCH 1/3] sched: Stop nohz stats when decayed Vincent Guittot
2018-02-06 14:16                                 ` Valentin Schneider
2018-02-06 14:31                                   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-01 16:55                           ` [RFC PATCH 2/5] sched: Add NOHZ_STATS_KICK Peter Zijlstra
2018-01-22  9:40                         ` Dietmar Eggemann
2018-01-22 10:23                           ` Vincent Guittot
2018-02-01 16:52                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-02-01 17:25                           ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-22  7:56     ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-22  8:04       ` Vincent Guittot
2017-12-21 10:21 ` [RFC PATCH 3/5] sched: Restructure nohz_balance_kick Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-21 10:21 ` [RFC PATCH 4/5] sched: Add nohz stats balancing Peter Zijlstra
2017-12-21 10:21 ` [RFC PATCH 5/5] sched: Update blocked load from NEWIDLE Peter Zijlstra

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