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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Srinivas Pandruvada <srinivas.pandruvada@linux.intel.com>
Cc: tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@suse.de,
	lenb@kernel.org, rjw@rjwysocki.net, mgorman@techsingularity.net,
	x86@kernel.org, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	viresh.kumar@linaro.org, juri.lelli@arm.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 05/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: HWP boost performance on IO Wake
Date: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:19:48 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180517081948.GM12217@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1526493313.61700.61.camel@linux.intel.com>

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:55:13AM -0700, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:
> On Wed, 2018-05-16 at 09:37 +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 09:49:06PM -0700, Srinivas Pandruvada wrote:

> > Hurmph, this looks like you're starting to duplicate the schedutil
> > iowait logic. Why didn't you copy the gradual boosting thing?

> I tried what we implemented in intel_pstate in legacy mode, which gave
> the best performance for servers (ramp up faster and slow ramp down).
> This caused regression on some workloads, as each time we can call
> HWP_REQUEST, we spend 1200+ cycles in issuing MSR. So keeping it at max
> for timeout. Even keeping at P1 didn't help in power numbers.

> > > - If the IO flags are notified multiple ticks apart, this may not be
> > > IO bound task. Othewise idle system gets periodic boosts for one
> > > IO wake.

That is what made me think of the gradual boosting. Because that is very
similar to the scenario that made us do that.

But like said elsewhere, ideally we'd use schedutil exclusively and
reduce intel_pstate to a pure driver. The normal way do deal with slow
transitions is rate limiting. Another option is for the slow HWP msr
driver we could choose to only issue the update when we reach max_freq.
But if the MSR ever gets cheaper we can issue it more often/finer
grained.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-05-17  8:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-05-16  4:49 [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 00/10] Intel_pstate: HWP Dynamic performance boost Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 01/10] x86,sched: Add support for frequency invariance Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  9:56   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 02/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Conditional frequency invariant accounting Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  7:16   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  7:29     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  9:07       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-16 17:32         ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16 15:19   ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-16 15:47     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16 16:31       ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-17 10:59         ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-17 15:04           ` Juri Lelli
2018-05-17 15:41             ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-17 16:16               ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-17 16:42                 ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-17 16:56                   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-17 18:28                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-18  7:36                       ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-18 10:57                       ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-18 11:29                         ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-18 13:33                           ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-30 16:57                             ` Patrick Bellasi
2018-05-18 14:09                           ` Valentin Schneider
2018-05-16 15:58     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 03/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Utility functions to boost HWP performance limits Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  7:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  9:15     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-16 10:43       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16 15:39         ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16 15:41     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 04/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Add update_util_hook for HWP Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 05/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: HWP boost performance on IO Wake Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  7:37   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16 17:55     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-17  8:19       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-05-16  9:45   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-16 19:28     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 06/10] cpufreq / sched: Add interface to get utilization values Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  6:40   ` Viresh Kumar
2018-05-16 22:25     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  8:11   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16 22:40     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-17  7:50       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 07/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: HWP boost performance on busy task migrate Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  9:49   ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2018-05-16 20:59     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 08/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: Dyanmically update busy pct Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  7:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  7:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 09/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: New sysfs entry to control HWP boost Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  4:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 10/10] cpufreq: intel_pstate: enable boost for SKX Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  7:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-16 15:46     ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16 15:54       ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-05-17  0:52         ` Srinivas Pandruvada
2018-05-16  6:49 ` [RFC/RFT] [PATCH 00/10] Intel_pstate: HWP Dynamic performance boost Juri Lelli
2018-05-16 15:43   ` Srinivas Pandruvada

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