From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1753957AbeEaGBm (ORCPT ); Thu, 31 May 2018 02:01:42 -0400 Received: from mail-pf0-f194.google.com ([209.85.192.194]:41115 "EHLO mail-pf0-f194.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1751037AbeEaGBj (ORCPT ); Thu, 31 May 2018 02:01:39 -0400 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKP7qFOwdeGTq8CgYvVb5rJ2hBCx4SXstMynQ1gnebh7L+bHbh0phJXO5XoqWugTXIj+jv+Ww== Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 15:01:33 +0900 From: Minchan Kim To: Shakeel Butt Cc: Michal Hocko , Vladimir Davydov , Andrew Morton , Greg Thelen , Johannes Weiner , Linux MM , Cgroups , LKML Subject: Re: [PATCH] memcg: force charge kmem counter too Message-ID: <20180531060133.GA31477@rodete-desktop-imager.corp.google.com> References: <20180525185501.82098-1-shakeelb@google.com> <20180526185144.xvh7ejlyelzvqwdb@esperanza> <20180528091110.GG1517@dhcp22.suse.cz> <20180529083153.GR27180@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, May 30, 2018 at 11:14:33AM -0700, Shakeel Butt wrote: > On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 1:31 AM, Michal Hocko wrote: > > On Mon 28-05-18 10:23:07, Shakeel Butt wrote: > >> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 2:11 AM, Michal Hocko wrote: > >> Though is there a precedence where the broken feature is not fixed > >> because an alternative is available? > > > > Well, I can see how breaking GFP_NOFAIL semantic is problematic, on the > > other hand we keep saying that kmem accounting in v1 is hard usable and > > strongly discourage people from using it. Sure we can add the code which > > handles _this_ particular case but that wouldn't make the whole thing > > more usable I strongly suspect. Maybe I am wrong and you can provide > > some specific examples. Is GFP_NOFAIL that common to matter? > > > > In any case we should balance between the code maintainability here. > > Adding more cruft into the allocator path is not free. > > > > We do not use kmem limits internally and this is something I found > through code inspection. If this patch is increasing the cost of code > maintainability I am fine with dropping it but at least there should a > comment saying that kmem limits are broken and no need fix. I agree. Even, I didn't know kmem is strongly discouraged until now. Then, why is it enabled by default on cgroup v1? Let's turn if off with comment "It's broken so do not use/fix. Instead, please move to cgroup v2".