From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN,FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_GIT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BF6ECE561 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 579BA208AE for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 00:23:48 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 579BA208AE Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727073AbeIQFsd (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2018 01:48:33 -0400 Received: from smtpq1.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net ([212.54.34.164]:53658 "EHLO smtpq1.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725844AbeIQFsc (ORCPT ); Mon, 17 Sep 2018 01:48:32 -0400 X-Greylist: delayed 329 seconds by postgrey-1.27 at vger.kernel.org; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 01:48:31 EDT Received: from [212.54.34.117] (helo=smtp9.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net) by smtpq1.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1hKK-0005i2-D1; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:23:44 +0200 Received: from 52499ff3.cm-4-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl ([82.73.159.243] helo=localhost.localdomain) by smtp9.mnd.mail.iss.as9143.net with esmtp (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g1hKK-0005vS-Ah; Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:23:44 +0200 From: Rene Herman To: torvalds@linux-foundation.org Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2018 02:23:42 +0200 Message-Id: <20180917002342.15342-1-rene.herman@gmail.com> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.17.1 In-Reply-To: References: X-SourceIP: 82.73.159.243 X-Ziggo-spambar: / X-Ziggo-spamscore: 0.0 X-Ziggo-spamreport: CMAE Analysis: v=2.3 cv=TeciSiYh c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=1WNebpHDdbXTIQ7tA6On8w==:17 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=dgzHxJTjTkEA:10 a=JBFolyDoGHsA:10 a=D19gQVrFAAAA:8 a=tqvuGgrUkmh1B3wMKO8A:9 a=W4TVW4IDbPiebHqcZpNg:22 X-Ziggo-Spam-Status: No Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Hi Linus. I was "around linux-kernel" some 10 years ago and still to this date sometimes check e.g. lkml.org where I happened upon this; felt it hard to resist commenting on one specific bit... Whereas you concentrate on net-positive effect on code quality of an at times "crass" communication style, I believe there is or used to be an actually larger net-positive on community: the very fact that you as project leader feel/felt free to sometimes tell people off is and is I believe widely taken to be a sign that the Linux project leader still considers himself part of the community; is anti-hierarchical in that sense, and as such a large positive for a community a significant majority of which would not have (had) it any other way. Now, Linux has of course long outgrown its hacker-beginnings; I would expect that by now an overwhelming majority of developers is part of a corporate hierarchy anyway and therefore not themselves free to respond to you "on equal terms" even if they were personally inclined to do so. The above may hence be somewhat obsolete in reality -- and I'm also sure that this is for you more personal than for someone like me reading it on LKML(.org), but hearing you describe your style up to now as _wrong_ still feels quite, well, wrong. At the very least historically it wasn't, and it if is more now it at the very least still reflects quite positively on honesty and openness. Rene.