From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.8 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_NEOMUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D34C433F4 for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:57:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D33442152C for ; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 10:57:23 +0000 (UTC) DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org D33442152C Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=wunner.de Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1732374AbeITQkQ (ORCPT ); Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:40:16 -0400 Received: from bmailout1.hostsharing.net ([83.223.95.100]:44823 "EHLO bmailout1.hostsharing.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726954AbeITQkQ (ORCPT ); Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:40:16 -0400 Received: from h08.hostsharing.net (h08.hostsharing.net [83.223.95.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "*.hostsharing.net", Issuer "COMODO RSA Domain Validation Secure Server CA" (not verified)) by bmailout1.hostsharing.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A67BB3001EF4C; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:57:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by h08.hostsharing.net (Postfix, from userid 100393) id 7D30D110; Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:57:19 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2018 12:57:19 +0200 From: Lukas Wunner To: Andreas Bosch Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , Chris Mason , Dan Williams , Jonathan Corbet , Olof Johansson , Steven Rostedt , Linus Torvalds , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: <20180920105719.ktnmzcfzih2tytfi@wunner.de> References: <20180917114852.hzo36b2fewdzqc4t@wunner.de> <20180917122430.GA3320@kroah.com> <20180918201631.as5zjjkldtkduwll@wunner.de> <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <61b4a3f9-ccd1-061c-1c1b-ec993b056c66@bosch-fellbach.de> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Sep 20, 2018 at 12:31:26PM +0200, Andreas Bosch wrote: > Am 18.09.18 um 22:16 schrieb Lukas Wunner: > > On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 02:24:30PM +0200, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > >> On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 01:48:52PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote: > >>> On Sun, Sep 16, 2018 at 12:22:43PM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote: > >>>> +Scope > >>>> +===== > >>>> + > >>>> +This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and in public > >>>> +spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community. > >>>> +Examples of representing a project or community include using an > >>>> +official project e-mail address, posting via an official social media > >>>> +account, or acting as an appointed representative at an online or > >>>> +offline event. Representation of a project may be further defined and > >>>> +clarified by project maintainers. > >>> > >>> Seriously though, I read this to know what I need to be aware of but oddly > >>> the language of this paragraph says it doesn't apply to me: I'm not using > >>> an official project e-mail address nor an official social media account, > >>> nor has anyone appointed me as representative. I can live with that, I'm > >>> just wondering what the benefit of a document is that only seems to apply > >>> to a tiny fraction of the community. > >> > >> I do not think you are reading the document correctly. As an example, > >> it should cover any emails sent to this list. That is not a "tiny > >> fraction" by my last count :) > > The document applies if you attach the representation qualifier only to > the public spaces. The chosen language seems problematic since the scope > of the qualifier is unclear. The two possible readings are: 1) This Code > of Conduct applies within project spaces. In addition it applies in > public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its > community. 2) This Code of Conduct applies both within project spaces and > in public spaces. It does only apply when an individual is representing > the project or its community. The first reading is the expected version > I think, but this should be clarified. -- Andreas Thanks, that makes sense. Indeed I had mentally inserted logical parentheses like this when parsing the sentence: This Code of Conduct applies ( both within project spaces and in public spaces ) when an individual is representing the project or its community. It might be beneficial to disambiguate the sentence, e.g.: This Code of Conduct applies within project spaces. It also applies in public spaces when an individual is representing the project or its community. If that is the intended meaning. Kind regards, Lukas