From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.9 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS, USER_AGENT_GIT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEF06C004D2 for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9860E2075E for ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:09:30 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=lkcl.net header.i=@lkcl.net header.b="no1bo5/6" DMARC-Filter: OpenDMARC Filter v1.3.2 mail.kernel.org 9860E2075E Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lkcl.net Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; spf=none smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728397AbeI3SmO (ORCPT ); Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:42:14 -0400 Received: from lkcl.net ([217.147.94.29]:44453 "EHLO lkcl.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728301AbeI3SmO (ORCPT ); Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:42:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lkcl.net; s=201607131; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=Zn7bzAY+G7ERbwlDGvgLwj0EjHwTc7grRWKStwnB+eA=; b=no1bo5/6ex6ywrL0V17tyRd0hex/8QxEKnPz7LH9CB/zrd+U0tTGjkeh5K12m/mpa42MiG24oYiI92k5vglffKXIYjladLdxNzjr/TSCHeI3jHCeDfoB2xjIUsx9KyvhFtLhiYs7O99QnspC+najC2k4are36DhtX7N/VvIrHEU=; Received: from [10.8.0.223] (helo=localhost) by lkcl.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6aXP-0003EQ-LB; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:09:28 +0000 Received: from lkcl by localhost with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1g6aX7-0007w8-MZ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0100 From: lkcl@lkcl.net To: martin@lichtvoll.de Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0100 Message-Id: <20180930120909.30469-1-lkcl@lkcl.net> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.19.0 In-Reply-To: <2936237.GcMzexieOU@merkaba> References: <2936237.GcMzexieOU@merkaba> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 10.8.0.223 (failed) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I > read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an > important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at > code :), especially when it is in some humorous way. absolutely, and this is one thing that a lot of people are, sadly, trained pretty much from birth to be incapable of understanding: namely the difference between criticism of the PERSON and criticism of the ACTION. (1) "YOU are bad! GO STAND IN THE NAUGHTY CORNER!" (2) "That was a BAD thing to do!" (3) "That hurt my feelings that you did that" the first is the way that poorly-trained parents and kindergarten teachers talk to children. the second is... only marginally better, but it's a start the third is how UNICEF trains teachers to treat children as human beings. > Code quality indeed is important. > As are human interactions. absolutely. it's not about the code, it's always, *always* about people. we just happen to be writing code, but ultimately we are doing so in the service of other PEOPLE. l.