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Ts'o" , NeilBrown , Josh Triplett , Mishi Choudhary , Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Message-ID: <20181023062652.yrns7n67jkuict5n@mwanda> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181021222608.GA24845@localhost> <875zxt919d.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181022224604.GM1617@thunk.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181022224604.GM1617@thunk.org> User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170609 (1.8.3) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9054 signatures=668683 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1807170000 definitions=main-1810230057 Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 06:46:04PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > Neil, > > I disagree with your framing, and thus your analysis, and thus your > proposed solution. > > On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 07:26:06AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > > If, for example, Linus or Andrew said "if you cannot work with any given > > maintainer, I will consider your patch directly, but you need to point > > to where you tried, and why you failed - or to where the promise is > > inadequate". > > > > Currently if a maintainer is rude to you, there is no where else that > > you can go and *that* is why it hurts. It isn't the abuse so much as > > the powerlessness associated with it. If you can (metaphorically) say > > to that maintainer "I don't care about your toilet mouth, you've just > > given me the right to take my petition to caesar" - then the emotional > > response will be quite different to pain. > > No. That's just not how things work. Patches don't get rejected > because maintainers are being rude. Patches don't get accepted > because they are not of a sufficiently high technical quality. I once sent a bugfix and instead of applying it, the maintainer insulted me and rejected it because the subject wasn't in imperative tense and because I said "NULL dereference" instead of "NULL pointer dereference." Ten years back there was a patch rejected because "F*** you, what do women know about programming?" I can't imagine it happening now, but I was so shocked by it at the time also... regards, dan carpenter