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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Valentin Schneider <valentin.schneider@arm.com>,
	Morten Rasmussen <Morten.Rasmussen@arm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] sched/fair: fix 1 task per CPU
Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 14:12:11 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20181213131211.GK2237@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAKfTPtBG_gcWzi4RUWF_c2aazqxDPHbb2rGWHvWND6pQHQxPGw@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 12:04:20PM +0100, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> On Thu, 13 Dec 2018 at 11:44, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 04:43:09PM +0200, Vincent Guittot wrote:
> > > When CPUs have different capacity because of RT/DL tasks or
> > > micro-architecture or max frequency differences, there are situation where
> > > the imbalance is not correctly set to migrate waiting task on the idle CPU.
> > >
> > > The UC uses the force_balance case:
> > >
> > >       if (env->idle != CPU_NOT_IDLE && group_has_capacity(env, local) &&
> > >           busiest->group_no_capacity)
> > >               goto force_balance;
> > >
> > > But calculate_imbalance fails to set the right amount of load to migrate
> > > a task because of the special condition:
> > >
> > >   busiest->avg_load <= sds->avg_load || local->avg_load >= sds->avg_load)
> > >
> > > Add in fix_small_imbalance, this special case that triggered the force
> > > balance in order to make sure that the amount of load to migrate will be
> > > enough.
> >
> > So I think this patch is going in the wrong direction for a number of
> > reasons:
> >
> >  - we'd like to get rid of fix_small_imbalance(), and this adds to it;
> >
> >  - the whole load_per_task stuff is terminally broken, it _cannot_ work
> >    right.
> >
> >
> > What I've suggested in the past is parameterizing the load balancer and
> > picking different criteria to balance on:
> 
> This patch is clearly a fix of the current implementation.
> What you suggest below makes sense but implies a significant rework in
> the calculate_imbalance and the load_balancer in general and will need
> more time to reach a stable state.
> Nevertheless, I will have a look at that
> 
> I imagine that your feedback for https://lkml.org/lkml/2018/10/2/283
> will be the same ?

No; those actually look ok. It is mostly that I really don't think
load_per_task makes any kind of sense.

It sorta works when all tasks are of the same weight, but if you start
using nice -- or way worse, cgroups -- then the number is complete
bollocks.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-12-13 13:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-10 14:43 Vincent Guittot
2018-09-14  3:22 ` Valentin Schneider
2018-09-14 16:26   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-12-13  8:05     ` Vincent Guittot
2018-12-13 10:44 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-12-13 11:04   ` Vincent Guittot
2018-12-13 13:12     ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2018-12-13 15:14       ` Vincent Guittot

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