From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 required=3.0 tests=HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35A77C43387 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BCA120651 for ; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:14:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726796AbfANTN6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:13:58 -0500 Received: from foss.arm.com ([217.140.101.70]:39188 "EHLO foss.arm.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726706AbfANTN6 (ORCPT ); Mon, 14 Jan 2019 14:13:58 -0500 Received: from usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (unknown [10.72.51.249]) by usa-sjc-mx-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E13E80D; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:13:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from fuggles.cambridge.arm.com (usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com [10.72.51.249]) by usa-sjc-imap-foss1.foss.arm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A4283F5BD; Mon, 14 Jan 2019 11:13:55 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2019 19:13:50 +0000 From: Will Deacon To: "Koenig, Christian" Cc: Ard Biesheuvel , Michel =?iso-8859-1?Q?D=E4nzer?= , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Carsten Haitzler , David Airlie , dri-devel , "Huang, Ray" , "Zhang, Jerry" , linux-arm-kernel , Bernhard =?iso-8859-1?Q?Rosenkr=E4nzer?= Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] drm/ttm: force cached mappings for system RAM on ARM Message-ID: <20190114191350.GA29600@fuggles.cambridge.arm.com> References: <20190110072841.3283-1-ard.biesheuvel@linaro.org> <5d8135de-80fe-9c0e-2206-ecb809f64cdb@daenzer.net> <55facfb9-92af-86b8-40e9-d63b887b5592@amd.com> <9f956898-7973-98ee-6bf1-e1d445e9d365@amd.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <9f956898-7973-98ee-6bf1-e1d445e9d365@amd.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.1+86 (6f28e57d73f2) () Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Jan 14, 2019 at 07:07:54PM +0000, Koenig, Christian wrote: > Am 14.01.19 um 18:32 schrieb Ard Biesheuvel: > - The reason remapping the CPU side as cacheable does work (which I > did test) is because the GPU's uncacheable accesses (which I assume > are made using the NoSnoop PCIe transaction attribute) are actually > emitted as cacheable in some cases. > . On my AMD Seattle, with or without SMMU (which is stage 2 only), I > must use cacheable accesses from the CPU side or things are broken. > This might be a h/w flaw, though. > . On systems with stage 1+2 SMMUs, the driver uses stage 1 > translations which always override the memory attributes to cacheable > for DMA coherent devices. This is what is affecting the Cavium > ThunderX2 (although it appears the attributes emitted by the RC may be > incorrect as well.) > > The latter issue is a shortcoming in the SMMU driver that we have to > fix, i.e., it should take care not to modify the incoming attributes > of DMA coherent PCIe devices for NoSnoop to be able to work. > > So in summary, the mismatch appears to be between the CPU accessing > the vmap region with non-cacheable attributes and the GPU accessing > the same memory with cacheable attributes, resulting in a loss of > coherency and lots of visible corruption. > > Actually it is the other way around. The CPU thinks some data is in the > cache and the GPU only updates the system memory version because the > snoop flag is not set. > > > That doesn't seem to be what is happening. As far as we can tell from > our experiments, all inbound transactions are always cacheable, and so > the only way to make things work is to ensure that the CPU uses the > same attributes. > > > Ok that doesn't make any sense. If inbound transactions are cacheable or not is > irrelevant when the CPU always uses uncached accesses. > > See on the PCIe side you have the snoop bit in the read/write transactions > which tells the root hub if the device wants to snoop caches or not. > > When the CPU accesses some memory as cached then devices need to snoop the > cache for coherent accesses. > > When the CPU accesses some memory as uncached then devices can disable snooping > to improve performance, but when they don't do this it is mandated by the spec > that this still works. Which spec? The Arm architecture (and others including Power afaiu) doesn't guarantee coherency when memory is accessed using mismatched cacheability attributes. Will