From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.3 required=3.0 tests=DKIM_INVALID,DKIM_SIGNED, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,MAILING_LIST_MULTI,SPF_PASS,USER_AGENT_MUTT autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no version=3.4.0 Received: from mail.kernel.org (mail.kernel.org [198.145.29.99]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AC32C43381 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 13:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [209.132.180.67]) by mail.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20519207E0 for ; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 13:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.kernel.org; dkim=fail reason="signature verification failed" (2048-bit key) header.d=infradead.org header.i=@infradead.org header.b="ULvYD4zv" Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727099AbfBVNAe (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Feb 2019 08:00:34 -0500 Received: from merlin.infradead.org ([205.233.59.134]:47456 "EHLO merlin.infradead.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725944AbfBVNAe (ORCPT ); Fri, 22 Feb 2019 08:00:34 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=merlin.20170209; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date: Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id: List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=jNqb+5ogDU6hdyrSD3XHeZAzjYwCD9jvtIUiYjDJ3ds=; b=ULvYD4zviPzbwmv58U1N3bBR2 +sRr8UpxIynIOeHlya6dBX9z6wHbR+WhSojJb2g9rIIZPFSF54rupEFgUJL/mBfCa+THFpQqfbF6w jQfTPMLPdmvFL7j1QC7LgsPbsVuAkkryyRqrR7TZPVcfss6xMf3T3z2le9jJEOSFXJ9CaRUK/1F+v qjXL2UF5nIKjzkvz/yck+XThCp2qRTgdRxvd+BwLaRZyLgo4IiVT+XJlUuEDCadQrYZnP1dhVL7iu FWrIw+omVa4cE4KemMHWQ0Kk0sa+Q6z0kZUtDTelplgCPP7ELTMPvyJbXhoNgiK95dWe0+AHRwnca KjXQ1DROg==; Received: from j217100.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.217.100] helo=hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net) by merlin.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1gxAR5-0002e5-RF; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 13:00:16 +0000 Received: by hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9603F22BBEAF4; Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:00:14 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2019 14:00:14 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Andrea Parri Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Alan Stern , Will Deacon , Boqun Feng , Nicholas Piggin , David Howells , Jade Alglave , Luc Maranget , Akira Yokosawa , Daniel Lustig Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] tools/memory-model: Remove (dep ; rfi) from ppo Message-ID: <20190222130014.GY32494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <1550617057-4911-1-git-send-email-andrea.parri@amarulasolutions.com> <20190220020117.GD11787@linux.ibm.com> <20190220092604.GD32494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190220131456.GA3215@andrea> <20190220132714.GI32494@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20190222112128.GA7213@andrea> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20190222112128.GA7213@andrea> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 12:21:28PM +0100, Andrea Parri wrote: > > What I do object to is a model that's weaker than any possible sane > > hardware. > > Not the first time I hear you calling this out. And inevitably, every > time, other slogans come to my mind: "C is not an assembly language", But it bloody well should be ;-)