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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Dennis Zhou <dennis@kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] percpu-refcount: Use normal instead of RCU-sched"
Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 17:17:19 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191002151718.eicbn4ahdanwuggh@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20191002150852.GB2689@paulmck-ThinkPad-P72>

On 2019-10-02 08:08:52 [-0700], Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2019 at 01:22:53PM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > This is a revert of commit
> >    a4244454df129 ("percpu-refcount: use RCU-sched insted of normal RCU")
> > 
> > which claims the only reason for using RCU-sched is
> >    "rcu_read_[un]lock() … are slightly more expensive than preempt_disable/enable()"
> > 
> > and
> >     "As the RCU critical sections are extremely short, using sched-RCU
> >     shouldn't have any latency implications."
> > 
> > The problem with using RCU-sched here is that it disables preemption and
> > the callback must not acquire any sleeping locks like spinlock_t on
> > PREEMPT_RT which is the case with some of the users.
> 
> Looks good in general, but changing to RCU-preempt does not change the
> fact that the callbacks execute with bh disabled.  There is a newish
> queue_rcu_work() that invokes a workqueue handler after a grace period.
> 
> Or am I missing your point here?

That is fine, no the RCU callback. The problem is that
percpu_ref_put_many() as of now does:

	rcu_read_lock_sched(): /* aka preempt_disable(); */
	if (__ref_is_percpu(ref, &percpu_count))
		this_cpu_sub(*percpu_count, nr);
	else if (unlikely(atomic_long_sub_and_test(nr, &ref->count)))
		ref->release(ref);

and then the callback invoked via ref->release() acquires a spinlock_t
with disabled preemption.
 
> 							Thanx, Paul

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-02 15:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-02 11:22 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-10-02 15:08 ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-10-02 15:17   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2019-11-07  9:13 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-07 16:17   ` Dennis Zhou
2019-11-07 16:28     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-07 16:55       ` Dennis Zhou
2019-11-07 17:24         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-07 17:36           ` Dennis Zhou
2019-11-08 17:35             ` [PATCH v2] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-08 18:17               ` Christopher Lameter
2019-11-11 10:44                 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-11-11 13:38                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2019-11-17  4:11               ` Dennis Zhou

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