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From: Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>
To: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Davidlohr Bueso <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	Manfred Spraul <manfred@colorfullife.com>,
	Markus Elfring <elfring@users.sourceforge.net>,
	Yoji <yoji.fujihar.min@gmail.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH] ipc/mqueue.c: change __do_notify() to bypass check_kill_permission()
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:29:29 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200322202929.GA1614@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lfnsh3tm.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org>

On 03/22, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>
> Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com> writes:
>
> > Commit cc731525f26a ("signal: Remove kernel interal si_code magic")
> > changed the value of SI_FROMUSER(SI_MESGQ), this means that mq_notify()
> > no longer works if the sender doesn't have rights to send a signal.
> >
> > Change __do_notify() to use do_send_sig_info() instead of kill_pid_info()
> > to avoid check_kill_permission().
>
> I totally see why you are doing this.  To avoid the permission check,
> and since this process requested the signal it makes sense to bypass the
> permission checks.

And this is what we had before cc731525f26a, so this patch tries to fix
the regression.

> The code needs to make certain that this signal is
> canceled or otherwise won't be sent after an exec.

not sure I understand this part, but see below.

> That said I don't like it.  I would really like to remove the signal
> sending interfaces that take a task_struct.

Oh, can we discuss the possible cleanups separately? On top of this fix,
if possible.

> Looking at the code I currently see several places where we have this
> kind of semantic (sending a requested signal to a process from the
> context of another process): do_notify_parent, pdeath_signal, f_setown,
> and mq_notify.

To me they all differ, I am not sure I understand how exactly you want
to unify them...

> Especially with the concerns about being able to send a signal after
> exec, and cause havoc.
...
> Espeically
> with concerns about being able to send signals to a suid process that
> would normally fail I think there is an issue here.

I can easily misread this code, never looked into ipc/mqueue.c before.
But it seems that it is not possible to send a signal after exec, suid
or not,

	- sys_mq_open() uses O_CLOEXEC

	- mqueue_flush_file() does
	
		if (task_tgid(current) == info->notify_owner)
			remove_notification(info);

> At the very least can you add a big fat comment about the semantics
> that userspace expects in this case?

Me? You are kidding ;)

I know absolutely nothing about ipc/mqueue, and when I read this code
or manpage I find the semantics of mq_notify is very strange.

Oleg.


  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-03-22 20:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-03-22 11:09 Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-22 14:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-22 14:59   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-22 20:29   ` Oleg Nesterov [this message]
2020-03-23 16:47     ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-24  2:12       ` Andrew Morton
2020-03-24  2:57         ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-24 11:52           ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-24 20:08             ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-24 10:35       ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-24 20:09 ` [PATCH V2] " Oleg Nesterov
2020-03-26 12:54   ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-03-27 19:56     ` [PATCH -mm] ipc-mqueuec-change-__do_notify-to-bypass-check_kill_permission-fix Oleg Nesterov

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