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From: "Luck, Tony" <tony.luck@intel.com>
To: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Cc: Jue Wang <juew@google.com>,
	"Williams, Dan J" <dan.j.williams@intel.com>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86/mm: Don't try to change poison pages to uncacheable in a guest
Date: Mon, 18 May 2020 08:36:25 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20200518153625.GA31444@agluck-desk2.amr.corp.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20200518134813.GC25034@zn.tnic>

On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 03:48:13PM +0200, Borislav Petkov wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> lemme try to reply to three emails at once.
> 
> First of all, the two of you: pls do not top-post.

Sorry. Phone e-mail client is dumb.

> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 6:52 PM Luck, Tony <tony.luck@intel.com> wrote:
> > But the guest isn’t likely to do the right thing with a page fault.
> > The guest just accessed a page that it knows is poisoned (VMM just told
> > it once that it was poisoned). There is no reason that the VMM should
> > let the guest actually touch the poison a second time. But if the guest
> > does, then the guest should get the expected response. I.e. another
> > machine check.
> 
> So Jue says below that the VMM has unmapped the guest page from the EPT.
> So the guest cannot touch the poison anymore.
> 
> How is then possible for the guest to touch it again if the page is not
> mapped anymore?

The VMM wants to make sure that the guest can't touch the poison
(this is important because not every touch of poison results in a
recoverable machine check. If the guest's next touch is an unaligned
access that crosses from the poison cache line to a non-poisoned line
then h/w will signal a fatal machinecheck and the whole machine will
go down).

> The guest should get a #PF when the page is unmapped and cause a new
> page to be mapped.

The VMM gets the page fault (because the unmapping of the guest
physical address is at the VMM EPT level).  The VMM can't map a new
page into that guest physical address because it has no way to
replace the contents of the old page.  The VMM could pass the #PF
to the guest, but that would just confuse the guest (its page tables
all say that the page is still valid). In this particular case the
page is part of the 1:1 kernel map. So the kernel will OOPS (I think).

> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 07:36:00AM -0700, Jue Wang wrote:
> > The stack is from guest MCE handler's processing of the first MCE injected.
> 
> Aha, so you've flipped the functions order in the trace. It all starts
> at
> 
>   set_mce_nospec(m->addr >> PAGE_SHIFT);
> 
> Now it makes sense.
> 
> > Note before the first MCE is injected into guest (i.e., after the host MCE
> > handler successfully finished MCE handling and notified VMM via SIGBUS with
> > BUS_MCEERR_AR), VMM unmaps the guest page from EPT.
> 
> Ok, good.
> 
> > The guest MCE handler finished the "normal" MCE handling and recovery
> > (memory_failure() in mm/memory_failure.cc) successfully, it's the aftermath
> > below leading to the stack trace:
> > https://github.com/torvalds/linux/blob/5a9ffb954a3933d7867f4341684a23e008d6839b/arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mce/core.c#L1101
> 
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 08:33:00AM -0700, Jue Wang wrote:
> > In other words, it's the *do_memory_failure -> set_mce_nospec*  flow of
> > guest MCE handler acting on the *first* MCE injection. As a result, the
> > guest panics and resets *whenever* there is an MCE injected, even when the
> > injected MCE is recoverable.
> 
> So IIUC that set_mce_nospec() thing should check whether m->addr is
> mapped first and only then mark it _uc and whatever monkey business it
> does. Not this blanket

PLease explain how a guest (that doesn't even know that it is a guest)
is going to figure out that the EPT tables (that it has no way to access)
have marked this page invalid in guest physical address space.

>   if am I a guest?
> 
> test.
> 
> Imagine a hypervisor which doesn't set X86_FEATURE_HYPERVISOR, i.e.,
> CPUID(1)[EDX, bit 31]?

Guest is going to be screwed in this case.

-Tony

  reply	other threads:[~2020-05-18 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-05-05 18:46 Tony Luck
2020-05-16  6:54 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-16 14:47   ` Luck, Tony
2020-05-16 15:02     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-17  1:52       ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]         ` <CAPcxDJ50pbuTbittyvPwKq1uUT8q8jJ+dHH8rCug8a1DDZXVYw@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]           ` <CAPcxDJ6f3pBpwiR9nvXN_g_HBa1RAMG+aOmgfXLFT6aZ9HQn3w@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-18 13:48             ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-18 15:36               ` Luck, Tony [this message]
2020-05-18 16:55                 ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-18 18:26                   ` Luck, Tony
2020-05-18 19:20                     ` Dan Williams
2020-05-19  5:22                     ` Sean Christopherson
2020-05-19  8:50                     ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-20 16:35                       ` [PATCH v2] x86/mm: Change so poison pages are either unmapped or marked uncacheable Luck, Tony
2020-05-25 11:00                         ` [tip: ras/core] x86/{mce,mm}: " tip-bot2 for Tony Luck
2020-05-25 20:40                           ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-26 17:37                             ` Luck, Tony
     [not found]                               ` <CAPcxDJ5arJojbY4pzOvYh=waSPd3X_JJb1_PSuzd+jQ0qbvFsA@mail.gmail.com>
     [not found]                                 ` <CAPcxDJ54EgX-SaDV=Lm+a2-43O68LhomyYfYdCDz38HGJCkh7g@mail.gmail.com>
2020-05-26 19:46                                   ` Borislav Petkov
2020-05-26 19:56                         ` [tip: ras/core] x86/{mce,mm}: Unmap the entire page if the whole page is affected and poisoned tip-bot2 for Tony Luck
2020-05-19  5:04                   ` [PATCH] x86/mm: Don't try to change poison pages to uncacheable in a guest Sean Christopherson

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