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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 2/2] Sched/fair: Block nohz tick_stop when cfs bandwidth in use
Date: Tue, 1 Aug 2023 17:37:31 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230801153731.GD11704@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230801111342.GA268019@lorien.usersys.redhat.com>

On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 07:13:42AM -0400, Phil Auld wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 01, 2023 at 12:49:34AM +0200 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 12, 2023 at 09:33:57AM -0400, Phil Auld wrote:
> > > CFS bandwidth limits and NOHZ full don't play well together.  Tasks
> > > can easily run well past their quotas before a remote tick does
> > > accounting.  This leads to long, multi-period stalls before such
> > > tasks can run again. Currently, when presented with these conflicting
> > > requirements the scheduler is favoring nohz_full and letting the tick
> > > be stopped. However, nohz tick stopping is already best-effort, there
> > > are a number of conditions that can prevent it, whereas cfs runtime
> > > bandwidth is expected to be enforced.
> > > 
> > > Make the scheduler favor bandwidth over stopping the tick by setting
> > > TICK_DEP_BIT_SCHED when the only running task is a cfs task with
> > > runtime limit enabled. We use cfs_b->hierarchical_quota to
> > > determine if the task requires the tick.
> > > 
> > > Add check in pick_next_task_fair() as well since that is where
> > > we have a handle on the task that is actually going to be running.
> > > 
> > > Add check in sched_can_stop_tick() to cover some edge cases such
> > > as nr_running going from 2->1 and the 1 remains the running task.
> > 
> > These appear fine to me, except:
> >
> > > Add sched_feat HZ_BW (off by default) to control the tick_stop
> > > behavior.
> > 
> > What was the thinking here? This means nobody will be using this -- why
> > would you want this default disabled?
> > 
> 
> That was just a hedge in case it caused issues. I'd probably have had to
> enable it in RHEL anyway. Using a feature was to make it inocuous when
> disabled.  Would you prefer me to enable it or remove the sched_feat
> entirely? (or do you want to just switch that to true when you apply it?)

I've edited it to default enabled -- we can pull the feature flag
eventually I suppose.

Things didn't readily apply, so I've kicked at it a little. Should be in
queue/sched/core for the robots to chew on.

  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-01 15:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-07-12 13:33 [PATCH v6 0/2] Fix nohz_full vs cfs bandwidth Phil Auld
2023-07-12 13:33 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] sched, cgroup: Restore meaning to hierarchical_quota Phil Auld
2023-07-12 22:09   ` Benjamin Segall
2023-07-13 13:23     ` Phil Auld
2023-07-13 20:12       ` Benjamin Segall
2023-07-13 23:27         ` Phil Auld
2023-07-14 12:57     ` [PATCH v3 " Phil Auld
2023-07-17 18:27       ` Tejun Heo
2023-07-18 12:57         ` Phil Auld
2023-07-18 13:25           ` Phil Auld
2023-08-09 19:34       ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Phil Auld
2023-07-12 13:33 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] Sched/fair: Block nohz tick_stop when cfs bandwidth in use Phil Auld
2023-07-12 22:11   ` Benjamin Segall
2023-07-13 13:25     ` Phil Auld
2023-07-31 22:49   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-08-01 11:13     ` Phil Auld
2023-08-01 15:37       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2023-08-02 14:20         ` Phil Auld
2023-08-09 19:34   ` [tip: sched/core] sched/fair: " tip-bot2 for Phil Auld
2023-07-31 15:17 ` [PATCH v6 0/2] Fix nohz_full vs cfs bandwidth Phil Auld
2023-07-31 16:38 ` Phil Auld
2023-07-31 17:23   ` Phil Auld

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