From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Mikulas Patocka <mpatocka@redhat.com>
Cc: Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
Zdenek Kabelac <zkabelac@redhat.com>,
linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
dm-devel@redhat.com, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
Christoph Hellwig <hch@lst.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] fix writing to the filesystem after unmount
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 18:19:01 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20230906-aufkam-bareinlage-6e7d06d58e90@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <60f244be-803b-fa70-665e-b5cba15212e@redhat.com>
On Wed, Sep 06, 2023 at 06:01:06PM +0200, Mikulas Patocka wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Sep 2023, Christian Brauner wrote:
>
> > > > IOW, you'd also hang on any umount of a bind-mount. IOW, every
> > > > single container making use of this filesystems via bind-mounts would
> > > > hang on umount and shutdown.
> > >
> > > bind-mount doesn't modify "s->s_writers.frozen", so the patch does nothing
> > > in this case. I tried unmounting bind-mounts and there was no deadlock.
> >
> > With your patch what happens if you do the following?
> >
> > #!/bin/sh -ex
> > modprobe brd rd_size=4194304
> > vgcreate vg /dev/ram0
> > lvcreate -L 16M -n lv vg
> > mkfs.ext4 /dev/vg/lv
> >
> > mount -t ext4 /dev/vg/lv /mnt/test
> > mount --bind /mnt/test /opt
> > mount --make-private /opt
> >
> > dmsetup suspend /dev/vg/lv
> > (sleep 1; dmsetup resume /dev/vg/lv) &
> >
> > umount /opt # I'd expect this to hang
> >
> > md5sum /dev/vg/lv
> > md5sum /dev/vg/lv
> > dmsetup remove_all
> > rmmod brd
>
> "umount /opt" doesn't hang. It waits one second (until dmsetup resume is
> called) and then proceeds.
So unless I'm really misreading the code - entirely possible - the
umount of the bind-mount now waits until the filesystem is resumed with
your patch. And if that's the case that's a bug.
If at all, then only the last umount, the one that destroys the
superblock, should wait for the filesystem to become unfrozen.
A bind-mount shouldn't as there are still active mounts of the
filesystem (e.g., /mnt/test).
So you should see this with (unless I really misread things):
#!/bin/sh -ex
modprobe brd rd_size=4194304
vgcreate vg /dev/ram0
lvcreate -L 16M -n lv vg
mkfs.ext4 /dev/vg/lv
mount -t ext4 /dev/vg/lv /mnt/test
mount --bind /mnt/test /opt
mount --make-private /opt
dmsetup suspend /dev/vg/lv
umount /opt # This will hang with your patch?
>
> Then, it fails with "rmmod: ERROR: Module brd is in use" because the
> script didn't unmount /mnt/test.
>
> > > BTW. what do you think that unmount of a frozen filesystem should properly
> > > do? Fail with -EBUSY? Or, unfreeze the filesystem and unmount it? Or
> > > something else?
> >
> > In my opinion we should refuse to unmount frozen filesystems and log an
> > error that the filesystem is frozen. Waiting forever isn't a good idea
> > in my opinion.
>
> But lvm may freeze filesystems anytime - so we'd get randomly returned
> errors then.
So? Or you might hang at anytime.
>
> > But this is a significant uapi change afaict so this would need to be
> > hidden behind a config option, a sysctl, or it would have to be a new
> > flag to umount2() MNT_UNFROZEN which would allow an administrator to use
> > this flag to not unmount a frozen filesystems.
>
> The kernel currently distinguishes between kernel-initiated freeze (that
> is used by the XFS scrub) and userspace-initiated freeze (that is used by
> the FIFREEZE ioctl and by device-mapper initiated freeze through
> freeze_bdev).
Yes, I'm aware.
>
> Perhaps we could distinguish between FIFREEZE-initiated freezes and
> device-mapper initiated freezes as well. And we could change the logic to
> return -EBUSY if the freeze was initiated by FIFREEZE and to wait for
> unfreeze if it was initiated by the device-mapper.
For device mapper initiated freezes you can unfreeze independent of any
filesystem mountpoint via dm ioctls.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-09-06 16:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 27+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-06 13:26 Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-06 14:27 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:03 ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-06 15:33 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 15:58 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-06 16:01 ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-06 16:19 ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2023-09-06 16:52 ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-07 9:44 ` Jan Kara
2023-09-07 10:43 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-07 12:04 ` Mikulas Patocka
2023-09-08 7:32 ` Jan Kara
2023-09-08 9:29 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2023-09-08 10:20 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <15c62097-d58f-4e66-bdf5-e0edb1306b2f@redhat.com>
2023-09-08 11:32 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08 12:07 ` Zdenek Kabelac
2023-09-08 12:34 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-12 9:10 ` Jan Kara
2023-09-08 12:02 ` Christian Brauner
2023-09-08 16:49 ` John Stoffel
2023-09-09 11:21 ` Christoph Hellwig
2023-09-08 12:01 ` Pavel Machek
2023-09-08 11:59 ` Pavel Machek
2023-09-06 17:10 ` Al Viro
2023-09-06 17:08 ` Al Viro
2023-09-06 15:22 ` Darrick J. Wong
2023-09-06 15:38 ` Christian Brauner
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