From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Arjan Van De Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] mm: PCP high auto-tuning
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 14:05:05 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231011130505.356soszayes3vy2n@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230920094118.8b8f739125c6aede17c627e0@linux-foundation.org>
On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 09:41:18AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:18:46 +0800 Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
>
> > The page allocation performance requirements of different workloads
> > are often different. So, we need to tune the PCP (Per-CPU Pageset)
> > high on each CPU automatically to optimize the page allocation
> > performance.
>
> Some of the performance changes here are downright scary.
>
> I've never been very sure that percpu pages was very beneficial (and
> hey, I invented the thing back in the Mesozoic era). But these numbers
> make me think it's very important and we should have been paying more
> attention.
>
FWIW, it is because not only does it avoid lock contention issues, it
avoids excessive splitting/merging of buddies as well as the slower
paths of the allocator. It is not very satisfactory and frankly, the
whole page allocator needs a revisit to account for very large zones but
it is far from a trivial project. PCP just masks the worst of the issues
and replacing it is far harder than tweaking it.
> > The list of patches in series is as follows,
> >
> > 1 mm, pcp: avoid to drain PCP when process exit
> > 2 cacheinfo: calculate per-CPU data cache size
> > 3 mm, pcp: reduce lock contention for draining high-order pages
> > 4 mm: restrict the pcp batch scale factor to avoid too long latency
> > 5 mm, page_alloc: scale the number of pages that are batch allocated
> > 6 mm: add framework for PCP high auto-tuning
> > 7 mm: tune PCP high automatically
> > 8 mm, pcp: decrease PCP high if free pages < high watermark
> > 9 mm, pcp: avoid to reduce PCP high unnecessarily
> > 10 mm, pcp: reduce detecting time of consecutive high order page freeing
> >
> > Patch 1/2/3 optimize the PCP draining for consecutive high-order pages
> > freeing.
> >
> > Patch 4/5 optimize batch freeing and allocating.
> >
> > Patch 6/7/8/9 implement and optimize a PCP high auto-tuning method.
> >
> > Patch 10 optimize the PCP draining for consecutive high order page
> > freeing based on PCP high auto-tuning.
> >
> > The test results for patches with performance impact are as follows,
> >
> > kbuild
> > ======
> >
> > On a 2-socket Intel server with 224 logical CPU, we tested kbuild on
> > one socket with `make -j 112`.
> >
> > build time zone lock% free_high alloc_zone
> > ---------- ---------- --------- ----------
> > base 100.0 43.6 100.0 100.0
> > patch1 96.6 40.3 49.2 95.2
> > patch3 96.4 40.5 11.3 95.1
> > patch5 96.1 37.9 13.3 96.8
> > patch7 86.4 9.8 6.2 22.0
> > patch9 85.9 9.4 4.8 16.3
> > patch10 87.7 12.6 29.0 32.3
>
> You're seriously saying that kbuild got 12% faster?
>
> I see that [07/10] (autotuning) alone sped up kbuild by 10%?
>
> Other thoughts:
>
> - What if any facilities are provided to permit users/developers to
> monitor the operation of the autotuning algorithm?
>
Not that I've seen yet but I'm still in part of the series. It could be
monitored with tracepoints but it can also be inferred from lock
contention issue. I think it would only be meaningful to developers to
monitor this closely, at least that's what I think now. Honestly, I'm
more worried about potential changes in behaviour depending on the exact
CPU and cache implementation than I am about being able to actively
monitor it.
> - I'm not seeing any Documentation/ updates. Surely there are things
> we can tell users?
>
> - This:
>
> : It's possible that PCP high auto-tuning doesn't work well for some
> : workloads. So, when PCP high is tuned by hand via the sysctl knob,
> : the auto-tuning will be disabled. The PCP high set by hand will be
> : used instead.
>
> Is it a bit hacky to disable autotuning when the user alters
> pcp-high? Would it be cleaner to have a separate on/off knob for
> autotuning?
>
It might be but tuning the allocator is very specific and once we
introduce that tunable, we're probably stuck with it. I would prefer to
see it introduced if and only if we have to.
> And how is the user to determine that "PCP high auto-tuning doesn't work
> well" for their workload?
Not easily. It may manifest as variable lock contention issues when the
workload is at a steady state but that would increase the pressure to
split the allocator away from being zone-based entirely instead of tweaking
PCP further.
--
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs
prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-11 13:05 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-20 6:18 Huang Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm, pcp: avoid to drain PCP when process exit Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:46 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-11 17:16 ` Andrew Morton
2023-10-12 13:09 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 13:35 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 12:21 ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 02/10] cacheinfo: calculate per-CPU data cache size Huang Ying
2023-09-20 9:24 ` Sudeep Holla
2023-09-22 7:56 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-11 12:20 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:08 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 12:52 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 13:12 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 15:22 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-13 3:06 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-16 15:43 ` Mel Gorman
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm, pcp: reduce lock contention for draining high-order pages Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:49 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:11 ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: restrict the pcp batch scale factor to avoid too long latency Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:52 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:15 ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm, page_alloc: scale the number of pages that are batch allocated Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:54 ` Mel Gorman
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: add framework for PCP high auto-tuning Huang Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: tune PCP high automatically Huang Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm, pcp: decrease PCP high if free pages < high watermark Huang Ying
2023-10-11 13:08 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:19 ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm, pcp: avoid to reduce PCP high unnecessarily Huang Ying
2023-10-11 14:09 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 7:48 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 12:49 ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 13:19 ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20 6:18 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm, pcp: reduce detecting time of consecutive high order page freeing Huang Ying
2023-09-20 16:41 ` [PATCH 00/10] mm: PCP high auto-tuning Andrew Morton
2023-09-21 13:32 ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-21 15:46 ` Andrew Morton
2023-09-22 0:33 ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-11 13:05 ` Mel Gorman [this message]
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