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From: Mel Gorman <mgorman@techsingularity.net>
To: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Arjan Van De Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>,
	Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	David Hildenbrand <david@redhat.com>,
	Johannes Weiner <jweiner@redhat.com>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>,
	Pavel Tatashin <pasha.tatashin@soleen.com>,
	Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>,
	Christoph Lameter <cl@linux.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] mm: PCP high auto-tuning
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2023 14:05:05 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20231011130505.356soszayes3vy2n@techsingularity.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20230920094118.8b8f739125c6aede17c627e0@linux-foundation.org>

On Wed, Sep 20, 2023 at 09:41:18AM -0700, Andrew Morton wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 14:18:46 +0800 Huang Ying <ying.huang@intel.com> wrote:
> 
> > The page allocation performance requirements of different workloads
> > are often different.  So, we need to tune the PCP (Per-CPU Pageset)
> > high on each CPU automatically to optimize the page allocation
> > performance.
> 
> Some of the performance changes here are downright scary.
> 
> I've never been very sure that percpu pages was very beneficial (and
> hey, I invented the thing back in the Mesozoic era).  But these numbers
> make me think it's very important and we should have been paying more
> attention.
> 

FWIW, it is because not only does it avoid lock contention issues, it
avoids excessive splitting/merging of buddies as well as the slower
paths of the allocator. It is not very satisfactory and frankly, the
whole page allocator needs a revisit to account for very large zones but
it is far from a trivial project. PCP just masks the worst of the issues
and replacing it is far harder than tweaking it.

> > The list of patches in series is as follows,
> > 
> >  1 mm, pcp: avoid to drain PCP when process exit
> >  2 cacheinfo: calculate per-CPU data cache size
> >  3 mm, pcp: reduce lock contention for draining high-order pages
> >  4 mm: restrict the pcp batch scale factor to avoid too long latency
> >  5 mm, page_alloc: scale the number of pages that are batch allocated
> >  6 mm: add framework for PCP high auto-tuning
> >  7 mm: tune PCP high automatically
> >  8 mm, pcp: decrease PCP high if free pages < high watermark
> >  9 mm, pcp: avoid to reduce PCP high unnecessarily
> > 10 mm, pcp: reduce detecting time of consecutive high order page freeing
> > 
> > Patch 1/2/3 optimize the PCP draining for consecutive high-order pages
> > freeing.
> > 
> > Patch 4/5 optimize batch freeing and allocating.
> > 
> > Patch 6/7/8/9 implement and optimize a PCP high auto-tuning method.
> > 
> > Patch 10 optimize the PCP draining for consecutive high order page
> > freeing based on PCP high auto-tuning.
> > 
> > The test results for patches with performance impact are as follows,
> > 
> > kbuild
> > ======
> > 
> > On a 2-socket Intel server with 224 logical CPU, we tested kbuild on
> > one socket with `make -j 112`.
> > 
> > 	build time	zone lock%	free_high	alloc_zone
> > 	----------	----------	---------	----------
> > base	     100.0	      43.6          100.0            100.0
> > patch1	      96.6	      40.3	     49.2	      95.2
> > patch3	      96.4	      40.5	     11.3	      95.1
> > patch5	      96.1	      37.9	     13.3	      96.8
> > patch7	      86.4	       9.8	      6.2	      22.0
> > patch9	      85.9	       9.4	      4.8	      16.3
> > patch10	      87.7	      12.6	     29.0	      32.3
> 
> You're seriously saying that kbuild got 12% faster?
> 
> I see that [07/10] (autotuning) alone sped up kbuild by 10%?
> 
> Other thoughts:
> 
> - What if any facilities are provided to permit users/developers to
>   monitor the operation of the autotuning algorithm?
> 

Not that I've seen yet but I'm still in part of the series. It could be
monitored with tracepoints but it can also be inferred from lock
contention issue. I think it would only be meaningful to developers to
monitor this closely, at least that's what I think now. Honestly, I'm
more worried about potential changes in behaviour depending on the exact
CPU and cache implementation than I am about being able to actively
monitor it.

> - I'm not seeing any Documentation/ updates.  Surely there are things
>   we can tell users?
> 
> - This:
> 
>   : It's possible that PCP high auto-tuning doesn't work well for some
>   : workloads.  So, when PCP high is tuned by hand via the sysctl knob,
>   : the auto-tuning will be disabled.  The PCP high set by hand will be
>   : used instead.
> 
>   Is it a bit hacky to disable autotuning when the user alters
>   pcp-high?  Would it be cleaner to have a separate on/off knob for
>   autotuning?
> 

It might be but tuning the allocator is very specific and once we
introduce that tunable, we're probably stuck with it. I would prefer to
see it introduced if and only if we have to.

>   And how is the user to determine that "PCP high auto-tuning doesn't work
>   well" for their workload?

Not easily. It may manifest as variable lock contention issues when the
workload is at a steady state but that would increase the pressure to
split the allocator away from being zone-based entirely instead of tweaking
PCP further.

-- 
Mel Gorman
SUSE Labs

      parent reply	other threads:[~2023-10-11 13:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-20  6:18 Huang Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 01/10] mm, pcp: avoid to drain PCP when process exit Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:46   ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-11 17:16     ` Andrew Morton
2023-10-12 13:09       ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 13:35         ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 12:21     ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 02/10] cacheinfo: calculate per-CPU data cache size Huang Ying
2023-09-20  9:24   ` Sudeep Holla
2023-09-22  7:56     ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-11 12:20   ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:08     ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 12:52       ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 13:12         ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 15:22           ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-13  3:06             ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-16 15:43               ` Mel Gorman
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 03/10] mm, pcp: reduce lock contention for draining high-order pages Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:49   ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:11     ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 04/10] mm: restrict the pcp batch scale factor to avoid too long latency Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:52   ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:15     ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 05/10] mm, page_alloc: scale the number of pages that are batch allocated Huang Ying
2023-10-11 12:54   ` Mel Gorman
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 06/10] mm: add framework for PCP high auto-tuning Huang Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 07/10] mm: tune PCP high automatically Huang Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 08/10] mm, pcp: decrease PCP high if free pages < high watermark Huang Ying
2023-10-11 13:08   ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 12:19     ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 09/10] mm, pcp: avoid to reduce PCP high unnecessarily Huang Ying
2023-10-11 14:09   ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12  7:48     ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-12 12:49       ` Mel Gorman
2023-10-12 13:19         ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-20  6:18 ` [PATCH 10/10] mm, pcp: reduce detecting time of consecutive high order page freeing Huang Ying
2023-09-20 16:41 ` [PATCH 00/10] mm: PCP high auto-tuning Andrew Morton
2023-09-21 13:32   ` Huang, Ying
2023-09-21 15:46     ` Andrew Morton
2023-09-22  0:33       ` Huang, Ying
2023-10-11 13:05   ` Mel Gorman [this message]

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