From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 082B3C10F04 for ; Fri, 1 Dec 2023 08:54:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1377945AbjLAIyj (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Dec 2023 03:54:39 -0500 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:60486 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1377930AbjLAIyg (ORCPT ); Fri, 1 Dec 2023 03:54:36 -0500 Received: from desiato.infradead.org (desiato.infradead.org [IPv6:2001:8b0:10b:1:d65d:64ff:fe57:4e05]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 62854171B; Fri, 1 Dec 2023 00:54:25 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=infradead.org; s=desiato.20200630; h=In-Reply-To:Content-Type:MIME-Version: References:Message-ID:Subject:Cc:To:From:Date:Sender:Reply-To: Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID:Content-Description; bh=vKnBzxozdWGnbst5MfQIf7+dcwp9ORvwYNVmV8gAJa4=; b=O93ILxbmPEQqoZHpPZGIxT73YX Ws5I1XRxugT5Keh77aOXi8td3S1Njs/BHg90kcQL/c6NvAJYe64sKiLvtQ/GWtJ6SDi49vgpyzP6F 2XCZYR8+lst5QCL8VQQtupxDV9YiltQ7cK+1ub8OKr6PFSSyO13DnLVj0GhfAjPtugE0njegR/8zM uxqO2oJiKmecPxGFBgU+/P7arSmdeuj4hulfDyq5zqp2t72mPl8XgtWYFInQz8Oke/uEdd4KCJg8z J7xSPs6UxEVZklWRo+luSJrjgrvbUMqqhNcFHY1bChjFr42ChlcO3bFtUiwbfw+hRKwtekgUd2oER aJDNePNg==; Received: from j130084.upc-j.chello.nl ([24.132.130.84] helo=noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net) by desiato.infradead.org with esmtpsa (Exim 4.96 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1r8zH7-0029rP-2X; Fri, 01 Dec 2023 08:53:32 +0000 Received: by noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BB6A93004AB; Fri, 1 Dec 2023 09:53:28 +0100 (CET) Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2023 09:53:28 +0100 From: Peter Zijlstra To: Boqun Feng Cc: Matthew Wilcox , Alice Ryhl , Miguel Ojeda , Alex Gaynor , Wedson Almeida Filho , Gary Guo , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=F6rn?= Roy Baron , Benno Lossin , Andreas Hindborg , Alexander Viro , Christian Brauner , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Arve =?iso-8859-1?B?SGr4bm5lduVn?= , Todd Kjos , Martijn Coenen , Joel Fernandes , Carlos Llamas , Suren Baghdasaryan , Dan Williams , Kees Cook , Thomas Gleixner , Daniel Xu , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, Josh Triplett Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/7] rust: file: add Rust abstraction for `struct file` Message-ID: <20231201085328.GE3818@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> References: <20231129-alice-file-v1-0-f81afe8c7261@google.com> <20231129-alice-file-v1-1-f81afe8c7261@google.com> <20231129152305.GB23596@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> <20231130104226.GB20191@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 07:25:01AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2023 at 11:42:26AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 29, 2023 at 09:08:14AM -0800, Boqun Feng wrote: > > > > > But but but, I then realized we have asm goto in C but Rust doesn't > > > support them, and I haven't thought through how hard tht would be.. > > > > You're kidding right? > > > > I'm not, but I've found this: > > https://github.com/Amanieu/rfcs/blob/inline-asm/text/0000-inline-asm.md#asm-goto Reading that makes all this even worse, apparently rust can't even use memops. So to summarise, Rust cannot properly interop with C, it cannot do inline asm from this side of the millenium. Why are we even trying to use it again?