From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Paolo Abeni <pabeni@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, netdev@vger.kernel.org,
"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>,
Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>,
Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>, Jakub Kicinski <kuba@kernel.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>, Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 net-next 00/15] locking: Introduce nested-BH locking.
Date: Mon, 6 May 2024 16:43:58 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20240506144358.Dqd57lTp@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7d46b465dd986bdf07330a7ed8d466674dec4859.camel@redhat.com>
On 2024-05-06 16:12:00 [+0200], Paolo Abeni wrote:
>
> I think sometimes the stack could call local_bh_enable() after a while
> WRT the paired spin lock release, to enforce some serialization - alike
> what inet_twsk_purge() is doing - but I can't point to any specific
> line on top of my head.
I *think* the inet_twsk_purge() is special because the timer is pinned
and that bh_disable call ensures that the timer does not fire.
> A possible side-effect you should/could observe in the final tree is
> more pressure on the process scheduler, as something alike:
>
> local_bh_disable()
>
> <spinlock lock unlock>
>
> <again spinlock lock unlock>
>
> local_bh_enable()
>
> could results in more invocation of the scheduler, right?
Yes, to some degree.
On PREEMPT_RT "spinlock lock" does not disable preemption so the section
remains preemptible. A task with elevated priority (SCHED_RR/FIFO/DL)
remains on the CPU unless preempted by task with higher priority.
Regardless of the locks.
A SCHED_OTHER task can be preempted by another SCHED_OTHER task even
with an acquired spinlock_t. This can be bad performance wise if this
other SCHED_OTHER task preempts the lock owner and blocks on the same
lock. To cope with this we had something called PREEMPT_LAZY (now
PREEMPT_AUTO) in the RT-queue to avoid preemption within SCHED_OTHER
tasks as long as a spinlock_t (or other lock that spins on !RT) is
acquired.
By removing the lock from local_bh_disable() we lose that "please don't
preempt me" feature from your scenario above across the BH disabled
section for SCHED_OTHER tasks. Nothing changes for tasks with elevated
priority.
> Cheers,
>
> Paolo
Sebastian
prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-05-06 14:44 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 38+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-05-03 18:25 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 01/15] locking/local_lock: Introduce guard definition for local_lock Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 02/15] locking/local_lock: Add local nested BH locking infrastructure Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 03/15] net: Use __napi_alloc_frag_align() instead of open coding it Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 04/15] net: Use nested-BH locking for napi_alloc_cache Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 05/15] net/tcp_sigpool: Use nested-BH locking for sigpool_scratch Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 06/15] net/ipv4: Use nested-BH locking for ipv4_tcp_sk Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 07/15] netfilter: br_netfilter: Use nested-BH locking for brnf_frag_data_storage Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 08/15] net: softnet_data: Make xmit.recursion per task Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 09/15] dev: Remove PREEMPT_RT ifdefs from backlog_lock.*() Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 10/15] dev: Use nested-BH locking for softnet_data.process_queue Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 11/15] lwt: Don't disable migration prio invoking BPF Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 12/15] seg6: Use nested-BH locking for seg6_bpf_srh_states Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 13/15] net: Use nested-BH locking for bpf_scratchpad Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 14/15] net: Reference bpf_redirect_info via task_struct on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-06 19:41 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-05-06 23:09 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-05-07 12:36 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-07 13:27 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-05-10 16:21 ` [PATCH net-next 14/15 v2] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-10 16:22 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-14 5:07 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-05-14 5:43 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-14 12:20 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-05-17 16:15 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-22 7:09 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2024-05-24 7:54 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-24 13:59 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-14 11:54 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-05-15 13:43 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-21 1:52 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2024-05-07 10:57 ` [PATCH net-next 14/15] " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-07 13:50 ` Toke Høiland-Jørgensen
2024-05-03 18:25 ` [PATCH net-next 15/15] net: Move per-CPU flush-lists to bpf_net_context " Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-06 8:43 ` [PATCH v2 net-next 00/15] locking: Introduce nested-BH locking Paolo Abeni
2024-05-06 9:38 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2024-05-06 14:12 ` Paolo Abeni
2024-05-06 14:43 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
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