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From: Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@kernel.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	x86@kernel.org, Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: fix user address masking non-canonical speculation issue
Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2024 11:47:44 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241024184744.l3575coe4sx26hgl@treble.attlocal.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wihBAdfL+OgaO71H_n4NFVyDdTXWEA_fjrdEFUc-=D1Sg@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Oct 24, 2024 at 10:35:33AM -0700, Linus Torvalds wrote:
> >  i.e. when bit 47/56 is
> > set and 63 is cleared, would it not go untouched by mask_user_address()
> > and thus be speculatively interpreted by AMD as a kernel address?
> 
> AMD doesn't _have_ LAM. When they do, they had better not
> speculatively mis-interpret addresses.

Ok.  I was thinking AMD had its own version of LAM, though all I can
find is UAI which is actually quite different since it ignores bit 63
altogether (and isn't supported in Linux anyway).

> > Also, the comment above __access_ok() now seems obsolete:
> >
> > /*
> >  * User pointers can have tag bits on x86-64.  This scheme tolerates
> >  * arbitrary values in those bits rather then masking them off.
> 
> No. The comment is still correct. The scheme tolerates exactly the LAM
> kind of hardware-based address masking.

The comment doesn't seem right to me at all.

With LAM enabled, USER_PTR_MAX is PAGE_SIZE away from the sign change
boundary.  So __access_ok() no longer has size check slop and that whole
discussion about the sign change boundary can go away.

AFAICT #GP can only happen when LAM is enabled and bit 47 (or 56 for
LA57) doesn't match bit 63.

-- 
Josh

  reply	other threads:[~2024-10-24 18:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-10-24  1:31 Linus Torvalds
2024-10-24  6:13 ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-24 14:02   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-24 15:42     ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-24 17:35   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-24 18:47     ` Josh Poimboeuf [this message]
2024-10-25 18:52       ` Andrew Cooper
2024-10-25  9:01     ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-24 11:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-24 12:32   ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-24 13:02     ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-24 17:53   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-24 18:13     ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-24 19:09       ` Josh Poimboeuf
2024-10-24 20:00         ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-25 11:24       ` Borislav Petkov
2024-10-24 14:09 ` Kirill A. Shutemov
2024-10-25 14:15 ` Maciej Wieczor-Retman
2024-10-25 17:41   ` Linus Torvalds
2024-10-25 19:00 ` Andrew Cooper

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