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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Deepak Surti <deepak.surti@arm.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org, namhyung@kernel.org,
	mark.barnett@arm.com, ben.gainey@arm.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
	will@kernel.org, james.clark@arm.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
	alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
	irogers@google.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com,
	linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/4] perf: Allow periodic events to alternate between two sample periods
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:01:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241114150152.GC39245@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241107160721.1401614-2-deepak.surti@arm.com>

On Thu, Nov 07, 2024 at 04:07:18PM +0000, Deepak Surti wrote:
> From: Ben Gainey <ben.gainey@arm.com>
> 
> This change modifies perf_event_attr to add a second, alternative
> sample period field, and modifies the core perf overflow handling
> such that when specified an event will alternate between two sample
> periods.
> 
> Currently, perf does not provide a  mechanism for decoupling the period
> over which counters are counted from the period between samples. This is
> problematic for building a tool to measure per-function metrics derived
> from a sampled counter group. Ideally such a tool wants a very small
> sample window in order to correctly attribute the metrics to a given
> function, but prefers a larger sample period that provides representative
> coverage without excessive probe effect, triggering throttling, or
> generating excessive amounts of data.
> 
> By alternating between a long and short sample_period and subsequently
> discarding the long samples, tools may decouple the period between
> samples that the tool cares about from the window of time over which
> interesting counts are collected.

Do you have a link to a paper or something that explains this method?


> +	/*
> +	 * Indicates that the alternative_sample_period is used
> +	 */
> +	bool				using_alternative_sample_period;

I typically prefer variables names that are shorter.


> @@ -9822,6 +9825,26 @@ static int __perf_event_overflow(struct perf_event *event,
>  	    !bpf_overflow_handler(event, data, regs))
>  		return ret;
>  
> +	/*
> +	 * Swap the sample period to the alternative period
> +	 */
> +	if (event->attr.alternative_sample_period) {
> +		bool using_alt = hwc->using_alternative_sample_period;
> +		u64 sample_period = (using_alt ? event->attr.sample_period
> +					       : event->attr.alternative_sample_period);
> +
> +		hwc->sample_period = sample_period;
> +		hwc->using_alternative_sample_period = !using_alt;
> +
> +		if (local64_read(&hwc->period_left) > 0) {
> +			event->pmu->stop(event, PERF_EF_UPDATE);
> +
> +			local64_set(&hwc->period_left, 0);
> +
> +			event->pmu->start(event, PERF_EF_RELOAD);
> +		}

This is quite terrible :-(

Getting here means we just went through the effort of programming the
period and you'll pretty much always hit that 'period_left > 0' case.

Why do we need this case at all? If you don't do this, then the next
overflow will pick the period you just wrote to hwc->sample_period
(although you might want to audit all arch implementations).

Looking at it again, that truncation to 0 is just plain wrong -- always.
Why are you doing this?




  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-14 15:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-07 16:07 [PATCH v1 0/4] A mechanism for efficient support for per-function metrics Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] perf: Allow periodic events to alternate between two sample periods Deepak Surti
2024-11-14 15:01   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-11-25 17:11     ` Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] perf: Allow adding fixed random jitter to the alternate sampling period Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] tools/perf: Modify event parser to support alt-period term Deepak Surti
2024-11-14  2:10   ` Ian Rogers
2024-11-25 16:02     ` Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] tools/perf: Modify event parser to support alt-period-jitter term Deepak Surti
2024-11-14  2:22 ` [PATCH v1 0/4] A mechanism for efficient support for per-function metrics Ian Rogers
2024-11-14 14:36   ` James Clark
2024-11-25 17:05   ` Deepak Surti

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