From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Deepak Surti <deepak.surti@arm.com>
Cc: mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org, namhyung@kernel.org,
mark.barnett@arm.com, ben.gainey@arm.com, ak@linux.intel.com,
will@kernel.org, james.clark@arm.com, mark.rutland@arm.com,
alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com, jolsa@kernel.org,
irogers@google.com, adrian.hunter@intel.com,
linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 1/4] perf: Allow periodic events to alternate between two sample periods
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2024 16:01:52 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241114150152.GC39245@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241107160721.1401614-2-deepak.surti@arm.com>
On Thu, Nov 07, 2024 at 04:07:18PM +0000, Deepak Surti wrote:
> From: Ben Gainey <ben.gainey@arm.com>
>
> This change modifies perf_event_attr to add a second, alternative
> sample period field, and modifies the core perf overflow handling
> such that when specified an event will alternate between two sample
> periods.
>
> Currently, perf does not provide a mechanism for decoupling the period
> over which counters are counted from the period between samples. This is
> problematic for building a tool to measure per-function metrics derived
> from a sampled counter group. Ideally such a tool wants a very small
> sample window in order to correctly attribute the metrics to a given
> function, but prefers a larger sample period that provides representative
> coverage without excessive probe effect, triggering throttling, or
> generating excessive amounts of data.
>
> By alternating between a long and short sample_period and subsequently
> discarding the long samples, tools may decouple the period between
> samples that the tool cares about from the window of time over which
> interesting counts are collected.
Do you have a link to a paper or something that explains this method?
> + /*
> + * Indicates that the alternative_sample_period is used
> + */
> + bool using_alternative_sample_period;
I typically prefer variables names that are shorter.
> @@ -9822,6 +9825,26 @@ static int __perf_event_overflow(struct perf_event *event,
> !bpf_overflow_handler(event, data, regs))
> return ret;
>
> + /*
> + * Swap the sample period to the alternative period
> + */
> + if (event->attr.alternative_sample_period) {
> + bool using_alt = hwc->using_alternative_sample_period;
> + u64 sample_period = (using_alt ? event->attr.sample_period
> + : event->attr.alternative_sample_period);
> +
> + hwc->sample_period = sample_period;
> + hwc->using_alternative_sample_period = !using_alt;
> +
> + if (local64_read(&hwc->period_left) > 0) {
> + event->pmu->stop(event, PERF_EF_UPDATE);
> +
> + local64_set(&hwc->period_left, 0);
> +
> + event->pmu->start(event, PERF_EF_RELOAD);
> + }
This is quite terrible :-(
Getting here means we just went through the effort of programming the
period and you'll pretty much always hit that 'period_left > 0' case.
Why do we need this case at all? If you don't do this, then the next
overflow will pick the period you just wrote to hwc->sample_period
(although you might want to audit all arch implementations).
Looking at it again, that truncation to 0 is just plain wrong -- always.
Why are you doing this?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-11-14 15:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-07 16:07 [PATCH v1 0/4] A mechanism for efficient support for per-function metrics Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 1/4] perf: Allow periodic events to alternate between two sample periods Deepak Surti
2024-11-14 15:01 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-11-25 17:11 ` Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 2/4] perf: Allow adding fixed random jitter to the alternate sampling period Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 3/4] tools/perf: Modify event parser to support alt-period term Deepak Surti
2024-11-14 2:10 ` Ian Rogers
2024-11-25 16:02 ` Deepak Surti
2024-11-07 16:07 ` [PATCH v1 4/4] tools/perf: Modify event parser to support alt-period-jitter term Deepak Surti
2024-11-14 2:22 ` [PATCH v1 0/4] A mechanism for efficient support for per-function metrics Ian Rogers
2024-11-14 14:36 ` James Clark
2024-11-25 17:05 ` Deepak Surti
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