From: Phil Auld <pauld@redhat.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Jon Kohler <jon@nutanix.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched: hoist ASSERT_EXCLUSIVE_WRITER(p->on_rq) above WRITE_ONCE
Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2024 09:26:58 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241115142658.GA837020@pauld.westford.csb> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20241115095847.GV22801@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Fri, Nov 15, 2024 at 10:58:47AM +0100 Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 14, 2024 at 02:20:56PM -0500, Phil Auld wrote:
>
> > I don't know. I don't think it matters much since the assert is really
> > independent of the actual write. Like I said it makes sense to have it
> > first to me but others may see it as just moving code around for no strong
> > reason. Peter may or may not decide to pick this one up. Other "mis-ordered"
> > uses are in code maintained by different folks.
> >
> > You can see if anyone else weighs in...
>
> So I'm not entirely about this patch... :-)
>
I'm not entirely either :)
> Per commit b55945c500c5 ("sched: Fix pick_next_task_fair() vs try_to_wake_up() race")
> we can see that this placement is not equivalent.
>
Subtle. That kind of thing (someone else acting on the write) was my
hesitation but I couldn't quite wrap my head around it.
That's why we have other people weigh in ...
Thanks!
> Placing it before the store means that nobody else will store to it
> until you've done your store.
>
> Placing it after means that nobody else will attempt the store,
> irrespective of the store you just did.
Presumably until some barrier or release at least, right?
I've got to dig into the kcsan stuff a bit more. It looks really
interesting.
Cheers,
Phil
>
> That is, the ASSERT after the store is a stronger assert.
>
> In case of activate_task(), we mark the task as on_rq, and this state is
> protected by rq->lock (which we hold), so there must not be any stores
> for as long as we hold that lock. So after is the right place.
>
> In case of deactivate_task(), this is a hand-off, but the handoff
> doesn't happen until after dequeue_task() and set_task_cpu(). So at this
> point, again, nobody should be modifying it.
>
>
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-11-15 14:27 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-11-14 16:53 Jon Kohler
2024-11-14 18:57 ` Phil Auld
2024-11-14 19:01 ` Jon Kohler
2024-11-14 19:20 ` Phil Auld
2024-11-15 9:58 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-15 14:26 ` Phil Auld [this message]
2024-11-15 17:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
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