From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>,
Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com,
joel@joelfernandes.org, urezki@gmail.com,
quic_neeraju@quicinc.com, frederic@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lkmm@lists.linux.dev,
hernan.poncedeleon@huaweicloud.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] tools/memory-model: Rule out OOTA
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 21:37:08 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250109203708.GA27200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c27c4210-3d20-42af-a1f7-a49d04828a8e@paulmck-laptop>
On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 09:54:28AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > P0(int *a, int *b, int *x, int *y) {
> > int r1;
> > int r2 = 0;
> > r1 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> > smp_rmb();
> > if (r1 == 1) {
> > r2 = *b;
> > }
> > WRITE_ONCE(*a, r2);
> > smp_wmb();
> > WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);
> > }
> >
> > P1(int *a, int *b, int *x, int *y) {
> > int r1;
> >
> > int r2 = 0;
> >
> > r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> > smp_rmb();
> > if (r1 == 1) {
> > r2 = *a;
> > }
> > WRITE_ONCE(*b, r2);
> > smp_wmb();
> > WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > }
> >
> >
> > The reason that the WRITE_ONCE helps in the speculative store case is that
> > both its ctrl dependency and the wmb provide ordering, which together
> > creates ordering between *x and *y.
>
> Ah, and that is because LKMM does not enforce control dependencies past
> the end of the "if" statement. Cute!
I think the reason we hesitated on that was CMOV and similar conditional
instructions. If the body of the branch is a CMOV, then there no
conditionality on the common path after the body.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-01-09 20:37 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-01-06 21:40 Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-07 10:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-07 11:02 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-07 15:46 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-07 16:09 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-07 18:47 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-08 17:39 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-08 18:09 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-08 19:17 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-09 17:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-09 18:35 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-10 14:54 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-10 16:21 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-13 22:04 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-16 18:40 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-16 19:13 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:31 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-16 20:21 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:28 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-17 12:08 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:08 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 23:02 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-17 8:34 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2025-01-17 11:29 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-17 20:01 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-21 10:36 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-21 16:39 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-22 3:46 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-22 19:11 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-17 15:52 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-17 16:45 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-17 19:02 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-09 20:37 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-01-09 21:13 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-08 17:33 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-08 18:47 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-08 19:22 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-09 16:17 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-09 16:44 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-09 19:27 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-09 20:09 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-10 3:12 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-10 12:21 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-10 21:51 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-11 12:46 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-11 21:19 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-12 15:55 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-13 19:43 ` Alan Stern
2025-07-23 0:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-23 7:26 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2025-07-23 16:39 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-24 14:14 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-25 5:23 ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2025-07-29 20:34 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-23 17:13 ` Alan Stern
2025-07-23 17:27 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-23 19:25 ` Alan Stern
2025-07-23 19:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
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