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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>
Cc: Jonas Oberhauser <jonas.oberhauser@huaweicloud.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	parri.andrea@gmail.com, will@kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com,
	npiggin@gmail.com, dhowells@redhat.com, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
	luc.maranget@inria.fr, akiyks@gmail.com, dlustig@nvidia.com,
	joel@joelfernandes.org, urezki@gmail.com,
	quic_neeraju@quicinc.com, frederic@kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lkmm@lists.linux.dev,
	hernan.poncedeleon@huaweicloud.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] tools/memory-model: Rule out OOTA
Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2025 21:37:08 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250109203708.GA27200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c27c4210-3d20-42af-a1f7-a49d04828a8e@paulmck-laptop>

On Thu, Jan 09, 2025 at 09:54:28AM -0800, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > P0(int *a, int *b, int *x, int *y) {
> > 	int r1;
> > 	int r2 = 0;
> > 	r1 = READ_ONCE(*x);
> > 	smp_rmb();
> > 	if (r1 == 1) {
> > 		r2 = *b;
> > 	}
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*a, r2);
> > 	smp_wmb();
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*y, 1);
> > }
> > 
> > P1(int *a, int *b, int *x, int *y) {
> > 	int r1;
> > 
> > 	int r2 = 0;
> > 
> > 	r1 = READ_ONCE(*y);
> > 	smp_rmb();
> > 	if (r1 == 1) {
> > 		r2 = *a;
> > 	}
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*b, r2);
> > 	smp_wmb();
> > 	WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> > }
> > 
> > 
> > The reason that the WRITE_ONCE helps in the speculative store case is that
> > both its ctrl dependency and the wmb provide ordering, which together
> > creates ordering between *x and *y.
> 
> Ah, and that is because LKMM does not enforce control dependencies past
> the end of the "if" statement.  Cute!

I think the reason we hesitated on that was CMOV and similar conditional
instructions. If the body of the branch is a CMOV, then there no
conditionality on the common path after the body.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-09 20:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 59+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-06 21:40 Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-07 10:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-01-07 11:02   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-07 15:46 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-07 16:09 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-07 18:47   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-08 17:39     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-08 18:09       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-08 19:17         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-09 17:54           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-09 18:35             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-10 14:54               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-10 16:21                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-13 22:04                   ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-16 18:40                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-16 19:13                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:31                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-16 20:21                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:28                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:39                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-17 12:08                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 19:08                     ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-16 23:02                       ` Alan Stern
2025-01-17  8:34                         ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2025-01-17 11:29                         ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-17 20:01                           ` Alan Stern
2025-01-21 10:36                             ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-21 16:39                               ` Alan Stern
2025-01-22  3:46                                 ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-22 19:11                                   ` Alan Stern
2025-01-17 15:52                         ` Alan Stern
2025-01-17 16:45                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-17 19:02                             ` Alan Stern
2025-01-09 20:37             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-01-09 21:13               ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-01-08 17:33   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-08 18:47     ` Alan Stern
2025-01-08 19:22       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-09 16:17         ` Alan Stern
2025-01-09 16:44           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-09 19:27             ` Alan Stern
2025-01-09 20:09               ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-10  3:12                 ` Alan Stern
2025-01-10 12:21                   ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-10 21:51                     ` Alan Stern
2025-01-11 12:46                       ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-11 21:19                         ` Alan Stern
2025-01-12 15:55                           ` Jonas Oberhauser
2025-01-13 19:43                             ` Alan Stern
2025-07-23  0:43 ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-23  7:26   ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2025-07-23 16:39     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-24 14:14       ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-25  5:23         ` Hernan Ponce de Leon
2025-07-29 20:34           ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-23 17:13   ` Alan Stern
2025-07-23 17:27     ` Paul E. McKenney
2025-07-23 19:25   ` Alan Stern
2025-07-23 19:57     ` Paul E. McKenney

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