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From: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
To: ebiederm@xmission.com, serge@hallyn.com, paul@paul-moore.com,
	jmorris@namei.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org
Cc: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
Subject: [PATCH] Documentation/no_new_privs.rst: document dropping effective ids
Date: Fri,  9 May 2025 20:41:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250509184105.840928-1-max.kellermann@ionos.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h61t7siv.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>

Usually, execve() preserves the effective ids.  Many programs rely on
this to detect setuid/setgid execution and will disable certain
features (such as rejecting certain user input / environment
variables).

However, if NO_NEW_PRIVS is set, effective ids are always reset by
cap_bprm_creds_from_file(), but capabilities are not revoked.  That
means the process looks like it's not setuid/setgid, but has full
capabilities, and is effectively a superuser process.  This breaks
userspace assumptions.

It was argued [1] that this surprising behavior must not change
because programs might rely on it:

Of course, this leaves many programs vulnerable, but if we decide the
behavior must remain, we should at least document it with a warning.

[1] https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/87h61t7siv.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org/

Signed-off-by: Max Kellermann <max.kellermann@ionos.com>
---
 Documentation/userspace-api/no_new_privs.rst | 6 ++++++
 1 file changed, 6 insertions(+)

diff --git a/Documentation/userspace-api/no_new_privs.rst b/Documentation/userspace-api/no_new_privs.rst
index d060ea217ea1..89b0884991e9 100644
--- a/Documentation/userspace-api/no_new_privs.rst
+++ b/Documentation/userspace-api/no_new_privs.rst
@@ -29,6 +29,12 @@ bits will no longer change the uid or gid; file capabilities will not
 add to the permitted set, and LSMs will not relax constraints after
 execve.
 
+A successful execve call with ``no_new_privs`` will reset the
+effective uid/gid to the real uid/gid, but does not drop capabilities.
+This means that comparing effective and real ids is not a valid method
+to detect setuid/setgid execution; the proper way to do that is
+getauxval(AT_SECURE).
+
 To set ``no_new_privs``, use::
 
     prctl(PR_SET_NO_NEW_PRIVS, 1, 0, 0, 0);
-- 
2.47.2


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-05-09 18:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-06  8:26 [PATCH] security/commoncap: don't assume "setid" if all ids are identical Max Kellermann
2025-03-07 10:32 ` kernel test robot
2025-03-09 15:19 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-04-28 11:43   ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-06 13:21     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-05-06 14:51       ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-07  3:16         ` Andrew G. Morgan
2025-05-07  6:33           ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08  3:32             ` Andrew G. Morgan
2025-05-08  6:38               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08  8:37               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 17:50             ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-08 22:12         ` sergeh
2025-05-09  6:15           ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 14:44             ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-09 16:53               ` Max Kellermann
2025-05-09 20:17                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-05-09 18:41               ` Max Kellermann [this message]
2025-05-15 16:24 ` [PATCH] exec: Correct the permission check for unsafe exec Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-15 22:09   ` Kees Cook
2025-05-16 15:26     ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-16 18:06       ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 18:08         ` Jann Horn
2025-05-16 21:46         ` sergeh
2025-05-20 22:38           ` Jann Horn
2025-05-20 22:43             ` Kees Cook
2025-05-16 23:29         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-20 20:20           ` Kees Cook
2025-05-20 22:13             ` [PATCH v2] " Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-20 22:35               ` Kees Cook
2025-05-20 23:53               ` Jann Horn
2025-05-21 15:27                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-05-21 15:36                   ` Jann Horn
2025-06-11  0:18                     ` Paul Moore
2025-06-11 14:23                       ` Max Kellermann
2025-06-13 15:07                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2025-06-12 21:26                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2025-06-13  1:48                         ` Kees Cook
2025-06-13 15:28                           ` Paul Moore
2025-06-16 19:57                             ` Kees Cook
2025-06-16 20:16                               ` Paul Moore
2025-05-16 21:48     ` [PATCH] " sergeh
2025-05-16 21:49   ` sergeh

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