From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Libo Chen <libo.chen@oracle.com>
Cc: "Chen, Yu C" <yu.c.chen@intel.com>,
Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Tim Chen <tim.c.chen@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jirka Hladky <jhladky@redhat.com>,
Srikanth Aithal <Srikanth.Aithal@amd.com>,
Suneeth D <Suneeth.D@amd.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/numa: Fix NULL pointer access to mm_struct durng task swap
Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2025 16:18:00 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250703141800.GX1613200@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0182cc94-c557-4ce5-b245-fb1fd54bc59b@oracle.com>
On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 06:57:04AM -0700, Libo Chen wrote:
>
>
> On 7/3/25 05:36, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 03, 2025 at 05:20:47AM -0700, Libo Chen wrote:
> >
> >> I agree. The other parts, schedstat and vmstat, are still quite helpful.
> >> Also tracepoints are more expensive than counters once enabled, I think
> >> that's too much for just counting numbers.
> >
> > I'm not generally a fan of eBPF, but supposedly it is really good for
> > stuff like this.
> >
>
> Yeah but not nearly as good as, for example, __schedstat_inc(var) which
> probably only takes a few CPU cycles if var is in the right place. eBPF
> is gonna take a whole bunch of sequences to even get to updating an eBPF
> map which itself is much more expensive than __schedstat_inc(var).
>
> For one, __migrate_swap_task() happens when dst node is fully busy (most
> likely src node is full as well), so the overhead of ebpf could be quite
> noticeable.
But that overhead is only paid if you actually care about the numbers;
most people don't.
We already stick static branches in many of the accounting paths --
because we know they hurt.
But look at this:
__schedstat_inc(p->stats.numa_task_swapped);
count_vm_numa_event(NUMA_TASK_SWAP);
count_memcg_event_mm(p->mm, NUMA_TASK_SWAP);
that is _3_ different counters, 3 cachelines touched. For what?
Would not a single:
trace_numa_task_swap_tp(p);
be much saner? It translates into a single no-op; no lines touched. Only
when someone wants the numbers do we attach to the tracepoint and start
collecting things.
Is the collecting more expensive; maybe. But the rest of us will be
better of, no?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-07-03 14:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-07-02 16:32 Chen Yu
2025-07-02 21:08 ` Andrew Morton
2025-07-03 9:24 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 7:18 ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03 9:37 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 11:51 ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03 11:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 7:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 9:28 ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03 11:50 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 12:01 ` Michal Hocko
2025-07-03 12:04 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 12:20 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-03 12:36 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-03 13:38 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 14:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-04 5:57 ` Chen, Yu C
2025-07-03 13:57 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-03 14:18 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-07-03 23:35 ` Libo Chen
2025-07-04 8:26 ` Peter Zijlstra
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