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From: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
	"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
	"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Juri Lelli" <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	"Valentin Schneider" <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	"Waiman Long" <longman@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/3] selftests/futex: Adapt the private hash test to RCU related changes
Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2025 10:01:40 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250708080140.YUpDy-bM@linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250708074124.GE1613376@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 2025-07-08 09:41:24 [+0200], Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 07, 2025 at 04:36:21PM +0200, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > The auto scaling on create creation used to automatically assign the new
> > hash because there was the private hash was unused and could be replaced
> > right away.
> > 
> > With the upcoming change to wait for a RCU grace period before the hash
> > can be assigned, the test will always fail.
> > 
> > If the reported number of hash buckets is not updated after an
> > auto scaling event, block on an acquired lock with a timeout. The timeout
> > is the delay to wait towards a grace period and locking and a locked
> > pthread_mutex_t ensure that glibc calls into kernel using futex
> > operation which will assign new private hash if available.
> > This will retry every 100ms up to 2 seconds in total.
> 
> So the auto scaling thing is 'broken' in that if you do a 'final'
> pthread_create() it will try and stage this new hash. If for whatever
> reason the refcount isn't '0' -- and this can already happen today due
> to a concurrent futex operation. Nothing will re-try the rehash.

Sure it was there but not in the way the test case was setup. I *think*
it is okay because in real life the new hash will be put to use unless
you terminate shortly after at which point you don't need it.

> This RCU business made this all but a certainty, but the race was there.
>
> I briefly wondered if we should have a workqueue re-try the rehash.

I don't think we need to worry about it.

Sebastian

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-08  8:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-07 14:36 [PATCH 0/3] futex: Use RCU-based per-CPU reference counting Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-07 14:36 ` [PATCH 1/3] selftests/futex: Adapt the private hash test to RCU related changes Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08  7:41   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-08  8:01     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior [this message]
2025-07-10  8:08       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-07 14:36 ` [PATCH 2/3] futex: Use RCU-based per-CPU reference counting instead of rcuref_t Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08  6:51   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08  8:56   ` Hillf Danton
2025-07-08  9:16     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08 12:01       ` Hillf Danton
2025-07-08 13:15         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08 22:00           ` Hillf Danton
2025-07-08 13:09   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08 13:43   ` Waiman Long
2025-07-08 13:47     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08 19:06       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-10 15:58         ` Waiman Long
2025-07-07 14:36 ` [PATCH 3/3] futex: Make futex_private_hash_get() static Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-07-08  7:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] futex: Use RCU-based per-CPU reference counting Peter Zijlstra
2025-07-08  8:02   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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