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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Abdiel Janulgue <abdiel.janulgue@gmail.com>
Cc: "Alexandre Courbot" <acourbot@nvidia.com>,
	dakr@kernel.org, lyude@redhat.com,
	"Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>,
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	"Sui Jingfeng" <sui.jingfeng@linux.dev>,
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	"Robin Murphy" <robin.murphy@arm.com>,
	airlied@redhat.com,
	"open list:DMA MAPPING HELPERS" <iommu@lists.linux.dev>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] rust: add initial scatterlist abstraction
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2025 12:42:22 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250805154222.GS26511@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <676ac763-cd23-4077-815f-8eaa9bc960fb@gmail.com>

On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 11:56:53AM +0300, Abdiel Janulgue wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> On 24/07/2025 08:40, Alexandre Courbot wrote:
> > 
> > I see a few issues with the `Item` type here.
> > 
> > The first one is that `Page` can only be created by allocating a new
> > page from scratch using `Page::alloc_page`. This doesn't cover the cases
> > where we want to map memory that is now allocated through this
> > mechanism, e.g. when mapping a `VVec`. So I think we have no choice but
> > return `*mut bindings::page`s.
> > 
> Just commenting on this bit, still going through the others one by one.
> Anyways, there is already existing code I'm working on that should be able
> to extend Page that are not allocated by it's constructor (e.g. those coming
> from vmalloc_to_page). I think's it's safe at least to not expose the raw
> pointers here if we can? Just a thought.

I would try not to expose vmalloc_to_page() to safe rust.

alloc_page() at least gives you a refcounted page with a sensible
refcount based lifecycle, vmalloc_to_page() gives you something that
is not refcountable at all and has a lifetime bound to the vmalloc.

They may both be struct page in C but for rust they have very
different rules and probably types.

If you want kmalloc/vmalloc to get into a scatterlist you should have
APIs to go directly from void * and into the scatterlist, and also
link the scatterlist to the lifetime of the original allocation.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-05 15:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-18 10:33 [PATCH v3 0/2] " Abdiel Janulgue
2025-07-18 10:33 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] " Abdiel Janulgue
2025-07-23  0:44   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-24  5:40   ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-04  8:56     ` Abdiel Janulgue
2025-08-05 15:42       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2025-08-05 16:12         ` Danilo Krummrich
2025-07-24 20:19   ` Lyude Paul
2025-07-26 14:10     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-01 18:26   ` Robin Murphy
2025-08-04  9:04     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-08 13:13   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-08-08 20:23     ` Benno Lossin
2025-07-18 10:33 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] samples: rust: add sample code for " Abdiel Janulgue
2025-07-23  0:54   ` Daniel Almeida
2025-07-23  8:07     ` Alexandre Courbot
2025-08-08 12:18   ` Andreas Hindborg
2025-07-18 10:50 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] rust: add initial " Danilo Krummrich

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