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From: Hillf Danton <hdanton@sina.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: syzbot <syzbot+10b4363fb0f46527f3f3@syzkaller.appspotmail.com>,
	Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, syzkaller-bugs@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [syzbot] [sound?] possible deadlock in __snd_pcm_lib_xfer (2)
Date: Fri,  5 Sep 2025 11:04:29 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250905030430.6482-1-hdanton@sina.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250904061245.pqGf3VwT@linutronix.de>

On Thu, 4 Sep 2025 08:12:45 +0200 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2025-09-04 09:05:28 [+0800], Hillf Danton wrote:
> > On Wed, 3 Sep 2025 16:59:05 +0200 Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> > > On 2025-08-30 14:56:37 [+0800], Hillf Danton wrote:
> > > > > syz.0.46/6843 is trying to acquire lock:
> > > > > ffff8880b8823d90 ((softirq_ctrl.lock)){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: spin_lock include/linux/spinlock_rt.h:44 [inline]
> > > > > ffff8880b8823d90 ((softirq_ctrl.lock)){+.+.}-{3:3}, at: __local_bh_disable_ip+0x264/0x400 kernel/softirq.c:168
> > > > > 
> > > > Given softirq_ctrl is percpu, this report is false positive.
> > > 
> > > No. This can happen on a single CPU.
> > > 
> > But the single CPU theory fails to explain the deadlock reported.
> > 
> > > > >  Possible unsafe locking scenario:
> > > > > 
> > > > >        CPU0                    CPU1
> > > > >        ----                    ----
>                Thead0                  Thread1
> 	       ------                  -------c
> > > > >   lock(&group->lock#2);
>            preempt to ->
> > > > >                                lock((softirq_ctrl.lock));
> > > > >                                lock(&group->lock#2);
>                                        <- preempt to
> > > > >   lock((softirq_ctrl.lock));
> > > > > 
> > > > >  *** DEADLOCK ***
>                now nobody makes progress
> 
Because of the absense of the deadlock detecting mechanism in timer, see
lock_map_acquire() in call_timer_fn() for detail, hrtimer is unable to
detect deadlock like the reported one.

	CPU0			CPU1
	----			----
	lock A			hrtimer B callback
	cancel hrtimer B	lock A

On the other hand softirq_ctrl plays such a detecting role in accident, but
they are two entirely different things. 

      reply	other threads:[~2025-09-05  3:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-29 18:38 syzbot
2025-08-30  0:06 ` syzbot
2025-09-04 10:20   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-04 10:38     ` Takashi Iwai
2025-09-15 15:28       ` [PATCH] ALSA: pcm: Disable bottom softirqs as part of spin_lock_irq() on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-16  9:43         ` Takashi Iwai
2025-09-16 12:23           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-30  0:45 ` [syzbot] [sound?] possible deadlock in __snd_pcm_lib_xfer (2) Hillf Danton
2025-08-30  3:03   ` syzbot
2025-08-30  6:56     ` Hillf Danton
2025-09-03 14:59       ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-04  1:05         ` Hillf Danton
2025-09-04  6:12           ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-09-05  3:04             ` Hillf Danton [this message]

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