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From: "Richard W.M. Jones" <rjones@redhat.com>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Josef Bacik <josef@toxicpanda.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, Eric Dumazet <eric.dumazet@gmail.com>,
	syzbot+e1cd6bd8493060bd701d@syzkaller.appspotmail.com,
	Mike Christie <mchristi@redhat.com>,
	Yu Kuai <yukuai1@huaweicloud.com>,
	linux-block@vger.kernel.org, nbd@other.debian.org,
	Stefan Hajnoczi <stefanha@redhat.com>,
	Stefano Garzarella <sgarzare@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] nbd: restrict sockets to TCP and UDP
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2025 16:18:52 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250909151851.GB1460@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89iJiBuJ=sHbfKjR-bJe6p12UrJ_DkOgysmAQuwCbNEy8BA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 07:47:09AM -0700, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 7:37 AM Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk> wrote:
> >
> > On 9/9/25 8:35 AM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > > On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 7:04 AM Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Sep 9, 2025 at 6:32 AM Richard W.M. Jones <rjones@redhat.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On Tue, Sep 09, 2025 at 01:22:43PM +0000, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> > >>>> Recently, syzbot started to abuse NBD with all kinds of sockets.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Commit cf1b2326b734 ("nbd: verify socket is supported during setup")
> > >>>> made sure the socket supported a shutdown() method.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Explicitely accept TCP and UNIX stream sockets.
> > >>>
> > >>> I'm not clear what the actual problem is, but I will say that libnbd &
> > >>> nbdkit (which are another NBD client & server, interoperable with the
> > >>> kernel) we support and use NBD over vsock[1].  And we could support
> > >>> NBD over pretty much any stream socket (Infiniband?) [2].
> > >>>
> > >>> [1] https://libguestfs.org/nbd_aio_connect_vsock.3.html
> > >>>     https://libguestfs.org/nbdkit-service.1.html#AF_VSOCK
> > >>> [2] https://libguestfs.org/nbd_connect_socket.3.html
> > >>>
> > >>> TCP and Unix domain sockets are by far the most widely used, but I
> > >>> don't think it's fair to exclude other socket types.
> > >>
> > >> If we have known and supported socket types, please send a patch to add them.
> > >>
> > >> I asked the question last week and got nothing about vsock or other types.
> > >>
> > >> https://lore.kernel.org/netdev/CANn89iLNFHBMTF2Pb6hHERYpuih9eQZb6A12+ndzBcQs_kZoBA@mail.gmail.com/
> > >>
> > >> For sure, we do not want datagram sockets, RAW, netlink, and many others.
> > >
> > > BTW vsock will probably fire lockdep warnings, I see GFP_KERNEL
> > > being used in net/vmw_vsock/virtio_transport.c

CC-ing Stefan & Stefano.  Myself, I'm only using libnbd
(ie. userspace) over vsock, not the kernel client.

> > > So you will have to fix this.
> >
> > Rather than play whack-a-mole with this, would it make sense to mark as
> > socket as "writeback/reclaim" safe and base the nbd decision on that rather
> > than attempt to maintain some allow/deny list of sockets?
> 
> Even if a socket type was writeback/reclaim safe, probably NBD would not support
> arbitrary socket type, like netlink, af_packet, or af_netrom.
> 
> An allow list seems safer to me, with commits with a clear owner.
> 
> If future syzbot reports are triggered, the bisection will point to
> these commits.

From the outside it seems really odd to hard code a list of "good"
socket types into each kernel client that can open a socket.  Normally
if you wanted to restrict socket types wouldn't you do that through
something more flexible like nftables?

Rich.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-09-09 15:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-09-09 13:22 Eric Dumazet
2025-09-09 13:29 ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 13:32 ` Richard W.M. Jones
2025-09-09 14:04   ` Eric Dumazet
2025-09-09 14:35     ` Eric Dumazet
2025-09-09 14:37       ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 14:47         ` Eric Dumazet
2025-09-09 15:09           ` Jens Axboe
2025-09-09 15:18           ` Richard W.M. Jones [this message]
2025-09-09 15:33             ` Eric Dumazet
2025-09-10 15:55               ` Stefano Garzarella
2025-09-12  9:23               ` Simon Horman
2025-09-09 17:16             ` Richard W.M. Jones
2025-11-18 17:56 ` Pavel Machek
2025-11-18 18:16   ` Richard W.M. Jones
2025-11-19  9:10     ` Userland used in writeback path was " Pavel Machek
2025-11-24 11:04       ` Richard W.M. Jones

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