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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
Cc: Yuzhuo Jing <yuzhuo@google.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
	Namhyung Kim <namhyung@kernel.org>,
	Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
	Jiri Olsa <jolsa@kernel.org>, Ian Rogers <irogers@google.com>,
	Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
	Liang Kan <kan.liang@linux.intel.com>,
	Yuzhuo Jing <yzj@umich.edu>,
	Andrea Parri <parri.andrea@gmail.com>,
	Palmer Dabbelt <palmer@rivosinc.com>,
	Charlie Jenkins <charlie@rivosinc.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Kumar Kartikeya Dwivedi <memxor@gmail.com>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Barret Rhoden <brho@google.com>,
	Alexandre Ghiti <alexghiti@rivosinc.com>,
	Guo Ren <guoren@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 0/7] perf bench: Add qspinlock benchmark
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2025 16:18:11 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250916141811.GK3245006@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aJDDfCKFXFQOJ134@J2N7QTR9R3>

On Mon, Aug 04, 2025 at 03:28:12PM +0100, Mark Rutland wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 28, 2025 at 07:26:33PM -0700, Yuzhuo Jing wrote:
> > As an effort to improve the perf bench subcommand, this patch series
> > adds benchmark for the kernel's queued spinlock implementation.
> > 
> > This series imports necessary kernel definitions such as atomics,
> > introduces userspace per-cpu adapter, and imports the qspinlock
> > implementation from the kernel tree to tools tree, with minimum
> > adaptions.
> 
> Who is this intended to be useful for, and when would they use this?
> 
> This doesn't serve as a benchmark of the host kernel, since it tests
> whatever stale copy of the qspinlock code was built into the perf
> binary.
> 
> I can understand that being able to test the code in userspace may be
> helpful when making some changes, but why does this need to be built
> into the perf tool?

Right, I think most of us already have a userspace version of it. I have
a thingy that has TAS, TICKET and QSPINLOCK wrapped in a perf self
monitor that I can run on various x86_64 to see how it behaves.

IIRC it also has a pile of 'raw' atomic ops to see the contention
behaviour. This shows that eg. XADD is *waay* nicer than a CMPXCHG loop
when heavily contended.

Anyway, that lives as a random tar file on a random machine in my house,
I'm not sure it makes much sense to stick that in perf as such. Rather
specific.

  reply	other threads:[~2025-09-16 14:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-29  2:26 Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 1/7] tools: Import cmpxchg and xchg functions Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-31  4:52   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-08-08  6:11   ` kernel test robot
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 2/7] tools: Import smp_cond_load and atomic_cond_read Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 3/7] tools: Partial import of prefetch.h Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-31  4:54   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 4/7] tools: Implement userspace per-cpu Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-31  5:07   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 5/7] perf bench: Import qspinlock from kernel Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 6/7] perf bench: Add 'bench sync qspinlock' subcommand Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-31  5:16   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-07-31 13:19     ` Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-29  2:26 ` [PATCH v1 7/7] perf bench sync: Add latency histogram functionality Yuzhuo Jing
2025-07-31  5:18   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-07-31  5:24   ` Namhyung Kim
2025-07-31  4:51 ` [PATCH v1 0/7] perf bench: Add qspinlock benchmark Namhyung Kim
2025-08-04 14:28 ` Mark Rutland
2025-09-16 14:18   ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2025-09-16 17:00     ` Ian Rogers
2025-09-16 20:38       ` Peter Zijlstra

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