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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: "Li Zhe" <lizhe.67@bytedance.com>
Cc: <muchun.song@linux.dev>, <osalvador@suse.de>, <david@kernel.org>,
	<fvdl@google.com>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 08:19:21 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260107081921.0e189904060f49a555142e28@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260107113130.37231-1-lizhe.67@bytedance.com>

On Wed,  7 Jan 2026 19:31:22 +0800 "Li Zhe" <lizhe.67@bytedance.com> wrote:

> This patchset is based on this commit[1]("mm/hugetlb: optionally
> pre-zero hugetlb pages").
> 
> Fresh hugetlb pages are zeroed out when they are faulted in,
> just like with all other page types. This can take up a good
> amount of time for larger page sizes (e.g. around 250
> milliseconds for a 1G page on a Skylake machine).
> 
> This normally isn't a problem, since hugetlb pages are typically
> mapped by the application for a long time, and the initial
> delay when touching them isn't much of an issue.
> 
> However, there are some use cases where a large number of hugetlb
> pages are touched when an application starts (such as a VM backed
> by these pages), rendering the launch noticeably slow.
> 
> On an Skylake platform running v6.19-rc2, faulting in 64 × 1 GB huge
> pages takes about 16 seconds, roughly 250 ms per page. Even with
> Ankur’s optimizations[2], the time drops only to ~13 seconds,
> ~200 ms per page, still a noticeable delay.
> 
> To accelerate the above scenario, this patchset exports a per-node,
> read-write "zeroable_hugepages" sysfs interface for every hugepage size.
> This interface reports how many hugepages on that node can currently
> be pre-zeroed and allows user space to request that any integer number
> in the range [0, max] be zeroed in a single operation.
> 
> This mechanism offers the following advantages:
> 
> (1) User space gains full control over when zeroing is triggered,
> enabling it to minimize the impact on both CPU and cache utilization.
> 
> (2) Applications can spawn as many zeroing processes as they need,
> enabling concurrent background zeroing.
> 
> (3) By binding the process to specific CPUs, users can confine zeroing
> threads to cores that do not run latency-critical tasks, eliminating
> interference.
> 
> (4) A zeroing process can be interrupted at any time through standard
> signal mechanisms, allowing immediate cancellation.
> 
> (5) The CPU consumption incurred by zeroing can be throttled and contained
> with cgroups, ensuring that the cost is not borne system-wide.
> 
> Tested on the same Skylake platform as above, when the 64 GiB of memory
> was pre-zeroed in advance by the pre-zeroing mechanism, the faulting
> latency test completed in negligible time.
> 
> In user space, we can use system calls such as epoll and write to zero
> huge folios as they become available, and sleep when none are ready. The
> following pseudocode illustrates this approach. The pseudocode spawns
> eight threads (each running thread_fun()) that wait for huge pages on
> node 0 to become eligible for zeroing; whenever such pages are available,
> the threads clear them in parallel.

This seems to be quite a lot of messing around in userspace.  Perhaps
unavoidable given the tradeoffs which are involved, and reasonable in
the sort of environments in which this will be used.  I guess there are
many alternatives - let's see what others think.

>  fs/hugetlbfs/inode.c    |   3 +-
>  include/linux/hugetlb.h |  26 +++++
>  mm/hugetlb.c            | 131 ++++++++++++++++++++++---
>  mm/hugetlb_internal.h   |   6 ++
>  mm/hugetlb_sysfs.c      | 206 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
>  5 files changed, 337 insertions(+), 35 deletions(-)

Let's find places in Documentation/ (and Documentation/ABI) to document
the userspace interface?

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-01-07 16:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-07 11:31 Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 1/8] mm/hugetlb: add pre-zeroed framework Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 2/8] mm/hugetlb: convert to prep_account_new_hugetlb_folio() Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 3/8] mm/hugetlb: move the huge folio to the end of the list during enqueue Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 4/8] mm/hugetlb: introduce per-node sysfs interface "zeroable_hugepages" Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 5/8] mm/hugetlb: simplify function hugetlb_sysfs_add_hstate() Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 6/8] mm/hugetlb: relocate the per-hstate struct kobject pointer Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 7/8] mm/hugetlb: add epoll support for interface "zeroable_hugepages" Li Zhe
2026-01-07 11:31 ` [PATCH v2 8/8] mm/hugetlb: limit event generation frequency of function do_zero_free_notify() Li Zhe
2026-01-07 16:19 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2026-01-12 11:25   ` [PATCH v2 0/8] Introduce a huge-page pre-zeroing mechanism Li Zhe
2026-01-09  6:05 ` Muchun Song
2026-01-12 11:27   ` Li Zhe
2026-01-12 19:52     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-13  6:37       ` Li Zhe
2026-01-13 10:15         ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-13 12:41           ` Li Zhe
2026-01-14 10:41             ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 11:36               ` Li Zhe
2026-01-14 11:55                 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 12:11                   ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-01-14 12:33                     ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 12:41                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-14 13:06                         ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-01-14 17:21                           ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15  9:36                             ` Li Zhe
2026-01-15 11:08                               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 11:57                                 ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-01-15 17:08                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 20:16                                     ` dan.j.williams
2026-01-15 20:22                                       ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-15 22:30                                         ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-20  6:27                                           ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20  9:47                                             ` David Laight
2026-01-20 10:39                                               ` Li Zhe
2026-01-20 18:18                                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-01-20 18:38                                                   ` Gregory Price
2026-01-20 19:30                                                   ` David Laight
2026-01-20 19:52                                                     ` Gregory Price
2026-01-21  8:03                                                   ` Li Zhe
2026-01-21 12:41                                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-21 12:32                                               ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2026-01-12 22:00     ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-13  6:39       ` Li Zhe
2026-01-12 22:01 ` Ankur Arora
2026-01-13  6:41   ` Li Zhe

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