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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Cc: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	 Alexander Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Jens Axboe <axboe@kernel.dk>, Jan Kara <jack@suse.cz>,
	 Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC v2 18/23] fs: add umh argument to struct kernel_clone_args
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2026 12:58:42 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260310-attest-bemerken-1a3ba981e917@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAG48ez3Oei55q_b4Wbh5Z4R81ZjOvfKcJhZe1QVudbxMw3TAsQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Mar 09, 2026 at 05:06:24PM +0100, Jann Horn wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 6, 2026 at 12:31 AM Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote:
> > Add a umh field to struct kernel_clone_args. When set, copy_fs() copies
> > from pid 1's fs_struct instead of the kthread's fs_struct. This ensures
> > usermodehelper threads always get init's filesystem state regardless of
> > their parent's (kthreadd's) fs.
> >
> > Usermodehelper threads are not allowed to create mount namespaces
> > (CLONE_NEWNS), share filesystem state (CLONE_FS), or be started from
> > a non-initial mount namespace. No usermodehelper currently does this so
> > we don't need to worry about this restriction.
> >
> > Set .umh = 1 in user_mode_thread(). At this stage pid 1's fs points to
> > rootfs which is the same as kthreadd's fs, so this is functionally
> > equivalent.
> [...]
> > -static int copy_fs(u64 clone_flags, struct task_struct *tsk)
> > +static int copy_fs(u64 clone_flags, struct task_struct *tsk, bool umh)
> >  {
> > -       struct fs_struct *fs = current->fs;
> > +       struct fs_struct *fs;
> > +
> > +       /*
> > +        * Usermodehelper may use userspace_init_fs filesystem state but
> > +        * they don't get to create mount namespaces, share the
> > +        * filesystem state, or be started from a non-initial mount
> > +        * namespace.
> > +        */
> > +       if (umh) {
> > +               if (clone_flags & (CLONE_NEWNS | CLONE_FS))
> > +                       return -EINVAL;
> > +               if (current->nsproxy->mnt_ns != &init_mnt_ns)
> > +                       return -EINVAL;
> > +               fs = userspace_init_fs;
> > +       } else {
> > +               fs = current->fs;
> > +       }
> >
> >         VFS_WARN_ON_ONCE(current->fs != current->real_fs);
> 
> Should that VFS_WARN_ON_ONCE() be in the else {} block?

I think in spirit the placement you suggest makes more sense.

> I don't know if it could happen that a VFS operation that happens with
> overwritten current->fs calls back into firmware loading or such, or
> if that is anyway impossible for locking reasons or such...

Usermodehelper are terrible hybrids that always go through workqueue
dispatch. So let's say somehow someone ends up triggering a
usermodehelper under scoped_with_init_fs() - no matter if regular task
or kthread - what would actually happen is:

INIT_WORK(&sub_info->work, call_usermodehelper_exec_work)

which means all usermodehelper creations are done from some other
kthread and never by the caller. IOW, even if the caller has overridden
current->fs the usermodehelper would be created from a pristine kthread
context.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-10 11:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 40+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-05 23:30 [PATCH RFC v2 00/23] fs,kthread: start all kthreads in nullfs Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 01/23] fs: notice when init abandons fs sharing Christian Brauner
2026-03-10 16:03   ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 02/23] fs: add scoped_with_init_fs() Christian Brauner
2026-03-09 15:19   ` Jann Horn
2026-03-10 11:30     ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 03/23] rnbd: use scoped_with_init_fs() for block device open Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 04/23] crypto: ccp: use scoped_with_init_fs() for SEV file access Christian Brauner
2026-03-09 15:37   ` Jann Horn
2026-03-10 11:33     ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 05/23] scsi: target: use scoped_with_init_fs() for ALUA metadata Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 06/23] scsi: target: use scoped_with_init_fs() for APTPL metadata Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 07/23] btrfs: use scoped_with_init_fs() for update_dev_time() Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 08/23] coredump: use scoped_with_init_fs() for coredump path resolution Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 09/23] fs: use scoped_with_init_fs() for kernel_read_file_from_path_initns() Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 10/23] ksmbd: use scoped_with_init_fs() for share path resolution Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 11/23] ksmbd: use scoped_with_init_fs() for filesystem info path lookup Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 12/23] ksmbd: use scoped_with_init_fs() for VFS path operations Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 13/23] initramfs: use scoped_with_init_fs() for rootfs unpacking Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 14/23] af_unix: use scoped_with_init_fs() for coredump socket lookup Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 15/23] fs: add real_fs to track task's actual fs_struct Christian Brauner
2026-03-07  0:51   ` Askar Safin
2026-03-09 15:14   ` Jann Horn
2026-03-10 11:29     ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-10 16:05       ` Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 16/23] fs: make userspace_init_fs a dynamically-initialized pointer Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 17/23] fs: stop sharing fs_struct between init_task and pid 1 Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 18/23] fs: add umh argument to struct kernel_clone_args Christian Brauner
2026-03-09 16:06   ` Jann Horn
2026-03-10 11:58     ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 19/23] fs: add kthread_mntns() Christian Brauner
2026-03-07  2:04   ` Askar Safin
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 20/23] devtmpfs: create private mount namespace Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 21/23] nullfs: make nullfs multi-instance Christian Brauner
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 22/23] fs: start all kthreads in nullfs Christian Brauner
2026-03-07 22:17   ` Askar Safin
2026-03-05 23:30 ` [PATCH RFC v2 23/23] fs: stop rewriting kthread fs structs Christian Brauner
2026-03-07  2:19 ` [PATCH RFC v2 00/23] fs,kthread: start all kthreads in nullfs Askar Safin
2026-03-09 16:50 ` Jann Horn
2026-03-10 12:54   ` Christian Brauner

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