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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>
Cc: soolaugust@gmail.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com, mingo@redhat.com,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, zhidao su <suzhidao@xiaomi.com>,
	Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] sched/deadline: Fix stale dl_defer_running in update_dl_entity() if-branch
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2026 12:22:44 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260404102244.GB22575@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260403224610.GJ2872@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On Sat, Apr 04, 2026 at 12:46:10AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 03, 2026 at 12:31:19PM -0700, John Stultz wrote:
> 
> > Using a 8 cpu VM with CONFIG_SCHED_PROXY_EXEC disabled:
> > 
> > With commit 115135422562 ("sched/deadline: Fix 'stuck' dl_server")
> > reverted, I see the (expected, maybe) behavior where the starvation
> > lasts ~1second, then dl_server allows all the threads to spawn right
> > away, and then the test runs for 10 seconds.
> > 
> > See perfetto chart:
> >   https://ui.perfetto.dev/#!/?s=a729fd2dd4b224d6335c5b2e727dc1a1c302c11a
> > (click the Kernel-threads track and scroll down to see the test
> > threads named referee/defense/offense/crazy-fan)
> > 
> > With commit 115135422562 ("sched/deadline: Fix 'stuck' dl_server")
> > applied, it seems the dl_server boosting the kthreadd spawning is much
> > more staggered. Again we spin up NR_CPU low priority threads, and
> > there's  ~1second of starvation, then we spawn one of the mid threads,
> > and another second delay, then there's a two second delay befofe we
> > get the third running, then we get a small burst of 5 threads at once,
> > then it falls back to 1 second or more per thread as it spawns off the
> > rest. All in all it takes ~44 seconds just to spawn the threads before
> > running the test.
> > 
> > Perfetto chart:
> >   https://ui.perfetto.dev/#!/?s=ab8e487375d0c82ceea478ee4534a7189269c0d4
> > 
> > With higher cpu counts (64), the test effectively prevents the system
> > from booting (trips the hung task watchdog).
> > 
> > I haven't really diagnosed the issue, but it feels a little like the
> > dl_server is boosting until the fair rq is empty but then giving up
> > the rest of its time, so if a fair task runs repeatedly but for a very
> > short period of time, it won't get to run again until the next
> > dl_server period? Causing this rate-limiting one-task-per-second
> > effect for thread spawning? I still need to stare at the dl_server
> > logic some more.
> 
> I'm getting a sense of deja-vu here. Didn't we cure this once before?
> 
> I'll go stare at this somewhere next week I suppose -- we have a long
> weekend here.

Random brain wave...

Since the dl_server is LLF (deferred), it will pretty much always trip
the dl_entity_overflow() when interrupted, right? Does it make sense to
use the revised wake-up rule for it, when appropriate?

---
diff --git a/kernel/sched/deadline.c b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
index d08b00429323..674de6a48551 100644
--- a/kernel/sched/deadline.c
+++ b/kernel/sched/deadline.c
@@ -1027,7 +1027,7 @@ static void update_dl_entity(struct sched_dl_entity *dl_se)
 	if (dl_time_before(dl_se->deadline, rq_clock(rq)) ||
 	    dl_entity_overflow(dl_se, rq_clock(rq))) {
 
-		if (unlikely(!dl_is_implicit(dl_se) &&
+		if (unlikely((!dl_is_implicit(dl_se) || dl_se->dl_defer) &&
 			     !dl_time_before(dl_se->deadline, rq_clock(rq)) &&
 			     !is_dl_boosted(dl_se))) {
 			update_dl_revised_wakeup(dl_se, rq);

  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-04-04 10:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-02 13:30 [PATCH] sched/deadline: Fix stale dl_defer_running in dl_server else-branch soolaugust
2026-04-03  0:05 ` John Stultz
2026-04-03  1:30   ` John Stultz
2026-04-03  8:12     ` [PATCH] sched/deadline: Fix stale dl_defer_running in update_dl_entity() if-branch soolaugust
2026-04-03 13:42       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-03 13:58         ` Andrea Righi
2026-04-03 19:31         ` John Stultz
2026-04-03 22:46           ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-03 22:51             ` John Stultz
2026-04-03 22:54               ` John Stultz
2026-04-04 10:22             ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-04-05  8:37               ` zhidao su
2026-04-06 20:01               ` John Stultz
2026-04-06 20:03                 ` John Stultz
2026-04-07 12:22               ` Juri Lelli
2026-04-07 15:00                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-04-08 11:20               ` [tip: sched/urgent] sched/deadline: Use revised wakeup rule for dl_server tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra

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