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From: Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>
To: Amir Goldstein <amir73il@gmail.com>
Cc: AnonymeMeow <anonymemeow@gmail.com>,
	jack@suse.cz,  linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 2/2] fanotify: allow reporting pidfds for reaped tasks
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2026 12:28:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260603-schindel-drehzahl-planlos-e334e6899cd5@brauner> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOQ4uxgudh_W2Gcs5qqGce8yO6503yjrGzEwbjTKkT+DLAqufA@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 03, 2026 at 12:00:42PM +0200, Amir Goldstein wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2026 at 5:11 AM AnonymeMeow <anonymemeow@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Sashiko said that pidfs_register_pid() can fail under memory pressure,
> > since it allocates memory using GFP_KERNEL without a way to pass in
> > __GFP_NOFAIL. This can cause fanotify_alloc_event() to silently drop
> > the event even when the group has an unlimited queue length.
> >
> > Should we make pidfs registration best-effort instead and still return
> > the allocated event if pidfs_register_pid() fails? But IMO this will
> > make the API semantically ambiguous. If the kernel guarantees that the
> > event pid is registered with pidfs when pidfd reporting is requested,
> > then a later FAN_NOPIDFD or -ESRCH can only be caused by the task being
> > invisible within the reader's pid namespace. But if we allow best-effort
> > registration, the event may still carry a pinned struct pid, but pidfs
> > registration may have failed due to memory pressure. If userspace reads
> > the event after the task has been reaped, it still gets a FAN_NOPIDFD
> > or -ESRCH due to failed pidfs registration caused by memory pressure,
> > IMO this should be reported as a -ENOMEM instead of -ESRCH. But
> > currently it seems we don't have a good way to register the pid with
> > __GFP_NOFAIL or __GFP_RETRY_MAYFAIL, so what would be the preferred
> > approach to handle this situation?
> 
> Thanks for noticing the oddity and explaining the options.
> 
> We could fail the event in case on ENOMEM because the system
> is likely is a bad shape anyway and other events are likely to fail
> allocation themselves, so I am not objecting to your patch as is,
> 
> but I am slightly leaning towards the semantically ambiguous API.

As usual, I think a semantically ambiguous api should be avoided.

> I don't think that we are going to change the man page to say that
> FAN_REPORT_PIDFD is guaranteed to return a pidfd, maybe we just
> add a NOTE about increased likelihood of getting a pidfd since kernel XXX
> and mention the known cases of pid namespace and ENOMEM.

The pid namespace shouldn't matter.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-03 10:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-06-03  0:15 [PATCH v4 0/2] fanotify: lift pidfd reporting restrictions AnonymeMeow
2026-06-03  0:15 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] fanotify: report thread pidfds for FAN_REPORT_TID AnonymeMeow
2026-06-03  9:55   ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-03  0:15 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] fanotify: allow reporting pidfds for reaped tasks AnonymeMeow
2026-06-03  3:11   ` AnonymeMeow
2026-06-03 10:00     ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-03 10:28       ` Christian Brauner [this message]
2026-06-03 10:58         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-03 11:25           ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-03 12:02             ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-04 20:29             ` AnonymeMeow
2026-06-05  7:54               ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-05  8:15                 ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-05  8:19                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-05  8:28                     ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-06 23:45                 ` AnonymeMeow
2026-06-10  7:42                   ` Christian Brauner
2026-06-04 19:46       ` [DRAFT][PATCH] fanotify: lift pidfd reporting restrictions AnonymeMeow
2026-06-05  8:23         ` Amir Goldstein
2026-06-05 10:04           ` Christian Brauner

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