From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
Cc: "Breno Leitao" <leitao@debian.org>,
"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
"Darren Hart" <dvhart@infradead.org>,
"Davidlohr Bueso" <dave@stgolabs.net>,
"André Almeida" <andrealmeid@igalia.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, puranjay@kernel.org,
rmikey@meta.com, stuclar@meta.com, namhyung@kernel.org,
kernel-team@meta.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] futex: avoid false sharing between hb->chain and the bucket lock
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2026 22:23:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260609202331.GB187714@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87mrx331wg.ffs@fw13>
On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 10:16:31PM +0200, Thomas Gleixner wrote:
> Breno!
>
> On Tue, Jun 09 2026 at 08:28, Breno Leitao wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 09, 2026 at 12:46:03PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> >> On Fri, Jun 05, 2026 at 09:53:12AM -0700, Breno Leitao wrote:
> >> perf bench futex hash 192479 195523 +1.5%
> >> perf bench futex hash -b 256 3453734 3987880 +15.5%
> >>
> >> And then I do see the improvement from your patch, but I really cannot
> >> make sense of your reasoning for it.
> >
> > So, let me rephrase it. The bucket cacheline takes hits from four access
> > patterns - the three I listed (waiters_pending readers, lock spinners,
> > lock-holder chain writes) plus the lockless `fph = hb->priv` load on the
> > futex_hash() fast path, which is what c2c surfaced. That priv load is the
> > dominant HITM source on baseline, not the chain writes I emphasized.
>
> Ok. That makes a lot more sense now.
>
> >> > Cost: one extra cacheline (56 B padding) per bucket. Would it be
> >> > acceptable?
> >>
> >> I'm really not sure, it *doubles* the futex memory cost.
> >
> > I think it's worth the trade. The global hash scales linearly with
> > num_possible_cpus(), so the extra bytes track the same curve as the machines
> > that actually need the fix
> >
> > in simpler words, a box big enough to feel this contention has plenty of RAM
> > headroom to absorb it.
>
> Well, it's not only about the global hash. The per process private hash
> is affected too.
>
> Can you try the completely untested below?
This moves the access to futex_hash_put() :-)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-09 20:23 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-05 16:53 Breno Leitao
2026-06-09 10:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-09 15:28 ` Breno Leitao
2026-06-09 20:11 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-09 20:18 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-10 11:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-10 11:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-10 13:55 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-12 7:11 ` [tip: locking/core] futex: Optimize futex hash bucket access patterns tip-bot2 for Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-12 8:13 ` Breno Leitao
2026-06-10 13:56 ` [PATCH RFC] futex: avoid false sharing between hb->chain and the bucket lock Breno Leitao
2026-06-23 10:30 ` Breno Leitao
2026-06-09 20:16 ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-06-09 20:23 ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2026-06-09 20:25 ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-06-09 20:32 ` Thomas Gleixner
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