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From: Hongru Zhang <zhanghongru06@gmail.com>
To: david@kernel.org
Cc: akpm@linux-foundation.org, baohua@kernel.org, bhe@redhat.com,
	chentao@kylinos.cn, chrisl@kernel.org, jack@suse.cz,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: reduce mmap_lock contention and improve page fault performance
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2026 18:10:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260623101009.522775-1-zhanghongru@xiaomi.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d04f745d-eb3e-4d2c-8ea2-5fdcf2cf27b8@kernel.org>

On 6/23/26 10:02, David Hildenbrand wrote:
> I know that especially browser usually use fork servers: a tiny
> (single-threaded) process just to create new child processes. Any information
> regarding the apps above that use fork() on small vs. large processes?

I wrote a second BPF tool (fork_info) that captures nr_threads and
map_count (VMA count) from the calling process at the exact moment
fork() is triggered. Results from 3 representative apps:

  App (category)          Fork caller        Threads   VMAs
  -----------------------------------------------------------
  Taobao (shopping)       DaemonThread-6        526    8,987
  Amap (navigation)       DaemonThread-6        289    7,120
  UC Browser (browser)    OneNativeThread       350    8,144

These are all heavyweight multi-threaded processes (hundreds of threads,
7,000-9,000 VMAs), not fork servers.

> Above you write "some call fork() from multiple threads". Any further
> information on that?

Xiaohongshu (com.xingin.xhs, social media) is a clear example. In just
tens of seconds of normal usage, fork() was called 22 times from 4
different threads:

  PID     COMM            THREADS    VMAS
  4206    com.xingin.xhs       85    4,140
  4216    Thread-2208          85    4,157
  4208    Thread-2208          90    4,211
  5200    Thread-3200         337    6,519
  5200    Thread-3200         343    6,563
  5200    Thread-3200         361    6,769
  5200    Thread-3200         453    7,793
  5200    Thread-3200         450    7,779
  5202    Thread-2219         459    7,846
  5202    Thread-2219         462    7,875
  5202    Thread-2219         465    7,899
  4219    Thread-2219         465    7,903
  4219    Thread-2219         468    7,922
  5202    Thread-2219         467    7,917
  4219    Thread-2219         467    7,921
  4219    Thread-2219         468    7,929
  5202    Thread-2219         464    7,909
  5202    Thread-2219         460    7,889
  5202    Thread-2219         459    7,884
  4219    Thread-2219         433    7,771
  4219    Thread-2219         433    7,771
  4219    Thread-2219         434    7,778

The process grew from 85 threads / 4,140 VMAs at first fork to
434 threads / 7,778 VMAs at last fork, showing these are long-lived
heavyweight processes that fork repeatedly throughout their lifecycle.

Tracing tool:
  https://gist.github.com/zhr250/ba7725d0ea55594bcafd3cd4806eed98

Hongru

  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-23 10:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 81+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-30  4:04 Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-04-30  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] mm/filemap: Retry fault by VMA lock if the lock was released for I/O Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-04-30  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] mm/swapin: Retry swapin " Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-04-30  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] mm: Move folio_lock_or_retry() and drop __folio_lock_or_retry() Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-04-30  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] mm: Don't retry page fault if folio is uptodate during swap-in Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-04-30 12:35   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-01 16:11     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-30  4:04 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] mm/filemap: Avoid retrying page faults on uptodate folios in filemap faults Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-04-30 12:37 ` [PATCH v2 0/5] mm: reduce mmap_lock contention and improve page fault performance Matthew Wilcox
2026-04-30 22:49   ` Barry Song
2026-05-01 14:56     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-01 17:44       ` Barry Song
2026-05-01 17:57         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-01 18:25           ` Barry Song
2026-05-01 19:39             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-03 20:39               ` Barry Song
2026-05-03 13:13           ` Jan Kara
2026-05-03 19:55             ` Barry Song
2026-05-04 13:03               ` Jan Kara
2026-05-04 13:35                 ` Barry Song
2026-05-04 14:15                 ` Barry Song
2026-05-17  8:45           ` Barry Song
2026-05-18  9:46             ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-18 11:25               ` Barry Song
2026-05-18 16:17                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-18 20:50                   ` Barry Song
2026-05-18 19:56                 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-05-18 21:14                   ` Barry Song
2026-05-19 12:45                     ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 14:17                     ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-05-19 22:01                       ` Barry Song
2026-05-20 21:04                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-20 21:14                           ` Barry Song
2026-05-20 21:15                             ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-20 21:35                               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-20 23:37                                 ` Barry Song
2026-05-22 15:53                                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-22 21:31                                     ` Barry Song
2026-06-20 23:48                                       ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-21 20:49                                         ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-06-22  0:15                                           ` Barry Song
2026-06-22 14:50                                             ` Liam R. Howlett
2026-06-22 21:35                                               ` Barry Song
2026-06-23  7:58                                 ` Hongru Zhang
2026-06-23  8:02                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-23 10:10                                     ` Hongru Zhang [this message]
2026-05-22  2:33                               ` Barry Song (Xiaomi)
2026-05-22 13:09                                 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-22 13:36                                   ` Barry Song
2026-05-22 13:48                                     ` Barry Song
2026-05-22 15:42                                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 12:53                   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 21:18                     ` Barry Song
2026-05-20  7:50                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-20  9:07                         ` Barry Song
2026-05-20 10:07                           ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-20 16:20                           ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-05-20  5:51                     ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-05-22 15:39                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-20 10:33                     ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-20 12:55                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-20 21:39                       ` Yang Shi
2026-05-22 15:37                         ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 12:43                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-18  9:53             ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-05-19 13:42               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-18 21:21             ` Yang Shi
2026-05-19 11:07               ` Barry Song
2026-05-19 13:34                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 18:50                 ` Yang Shi
2026-05-19 20:53                   ` Yang Shi
2026-05-19 13:12               ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 13:39                 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-19 18:41                   ` Yang Shi
2026-05-19 21:02                     ` Yang Shi
2026-05-20  8:11                       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-01 15:52   ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-01 16:06     ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-01 17:09       ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-05-01 17:59     ` Barry Song
2026-05-20  2:04   ` Hillf Danton

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