From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 79C2D3914E5; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 07:29:16 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782977357; cv=none; b=st9aULorckx6uz8LycteWX98rmWtSz+RgyBQhcuwq0zYmFwfIBMYxNJdvBhZjRXMhQSokF99abeVIGyp8yC0gcvYRP8qzC/tOMDxYFomldJq/m1hU8MVqHv598pxU+hCVDMnYsM1HmDBoTGeUTGAV2nQh+Agn0xXRVT+EtmOKQQ= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1782977357; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Lawg9YFySEGOgubbh1cOdatE9TtSMuRVqTofSHmUhUI=; h=MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To: References:Date:Message-Id; b=JShs0i4TmpjoQ5yb/7+BoB8GaKx5kwF+s1CmLwE7KMQcalYUYue+Pff/rvV/EHjQ30XVpOudGEmcHEok24kaEcdRFuW9pW0QQPUvlY/MgjJnywoGp4WdrC199caOH6He5SfTqh0NB5KQ2QVkR3nTroqDhcdtcGwDPG+0TtGHQZo= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=GIiZmgcr; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="GIiZmgcr" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8128C1F000E9; Thu, 2 Jul 2026 07:29:13 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1782977356; bh=RW6SqLELVkDjLMxPpQI8Ty2YK2jLiDbzTAVsATnYajs=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=GIiZmgcrgeHAeLML2XeNiJwOH+L3j/64WDzDO35aq8yZT/jHxV7m9wHy7ut5AA1et cCwYx3pYwcCNZxgDW3mLKJNly/CD81grA5V3ddM6AFBtbBqqq+8tehx1+L+Ap0csRz +ISDUXz71y5a9zU/BVa/UQw5DyYEJ+vzd+2aiCNFMTAVpQuBL84HV73tcJ0S5P8jOx Y6GHbgw8/EhR+1qtYHWgT2zZEiNhYaSk4S43Ehmxjfr9kM+Z5qGZ0KzhYCh9rgTMN2 tYkoavqiVF2bFWFx5IBA15E0Qz4dwzNopzw6XpsGBX03bRSMAAuttwKg3zWlxRHR44 HmW+F24oNMflQ== Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC] coding-assistants: simplify attribution From: Christian Brauner To: Jakub Kicinski Cc: Jeff Layton , Christian Brauner , Linus Torvalds , Jonathan Corbet , Jens Axboe , David Hildenbrand , Vlastimil Babka , workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20260701115302.29c66401@kernel.org> References: <20260701-work-coding-assistants-v1-1-a20a94d1d606@kernel.org> <20260701115302.29c66401@kernel.org> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2026 09:29:11 +0200 Message-Id: <20260702-sucht-bauabschnitt-rausspringen-577b7b7be2c7@brauner> X-Mailer: b4 0.16-dev-4217c X-Developer-Signature: v=1; a=openpgp-sha256; l=1792; i=brauner@kernel.org; h=from:subject:message-id; bh=Lawg9YFySEGOgubbh1cOdatE9TtSMuRVqTofSHmUhUI=; b=owGbwMvMwCU28Zj0gdSKO4sYT6slMWS5CXv2c35Y2mapEp9sFbBZldcizv0N2+nSrAJ3cUez2 cGCt951lLIwiHExyIopsji0m4TLLeep2GyUqQEzh5UJZAgDF6cATCTHhZHhhtJF/VtHXetO7btg 2X2hOmDzoZAjk1ylu4q3J7x2UG8+yPDPvuvuVyuPzOLC2cI9PZ3/1OITwueWpIXvfen8KonvLRM jAA== X-Developer-Key: i=brauner@kernel.org; a=openpgp; fpr=4880B8C9BD0E5106FC070F4F7B3C391EFEA93624 On 2026-07-01 11:53 -0700, Jakub Kicinski wrote: > On Wed, 01 Jul 2026 14:35:08 -0400 Jeff Layton wrote: > > On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 17:54 +0200, Christian Brauner wrote: > > > I remain very confused by our coding assistant contribution guidelines. > > > I'm going to be a bit polemic now but this seriously in good faith. > > > > > > Why precisely do we require all this detailed information about what > > > specific coding assistant was used? > > > > > > I find it very irritating that our git history has effectively started > > > to function a bit like a free advertising platform for a bunch of AI > > > companies and their proprietary agents and models. > > FWIW, this is exactly how I feel. I added a regex to strip these in > my git hooks. So at least the net/ history should be ads-free 🤷️ Ah, that's good to know. I've been rewriting them to "LLM" but I might just start doing what netdev is. > > In general, collecting data for nebulous purposes usually turns out to > > be a bad idea. If we're not 100% clear on why we want this data, then > > we're probably better off not collecting it at all. > > > > With that in mind: if we're going to water down the tag, then I say > > just remove the requirement altogether. If we later decide that we want > > to start collecting more detailed info for some (clear) purpose then we > > can revisit the idea. > > +1 > > Honestly even tool attribution feels increasingly moot. > People vibe code tools and AI-in-the-loop pipelines which they never > publish. Open source tools are (hopefully?) used in pre-commit > pipelines, so they have the "kbuild bot problem" of problems getting > fixed before the code is merged. And we have the same free advertising > problem for the rest. Agreed.