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From: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
To: Song Hu <husong@kylinos.cn>
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v3 09/14] mm/memcontrol: Make memory.high tier-aware
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2026 20:46:49 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260819034650.708665-1-joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260818012115.65838-1-husong@kylinos.cn>

On Tue, 18 Aug 2026 09:21:15 +0800 Song Hu <husong@kylinos.cn> wrote:

Hi Song, thank you for your reply.

> (pre-existing, not from this series - mentioning it here because
> it reworks memory.high behaviour)
> 
> The penalty computation in calculate_high_delay() can overflow:
> 
> 	penalty_jiffies = max_overage * max_overage * HZ;
> 
> max_overage is a fixed-point relative overage:
> calculate_overage() returns (usage - high) << 20 / high, so the
> square times HZ wraps once (usage - high) / high reaches
> 4096 / sqrt(HZ).  That is roughly 130x at HZ=1000 and 259x at
> HZ=250 - reachable when memory.high is tightened far below the
> current usage of a large working set.
> 
> Most wrapped values are still caught by the 2s clamp in
> mem_cgroup_handle_over_high(), but residues below the clamp pass
> through, and some of them produce far less throttling than
> intended - down to no sleep at all.
> 
> check_mul_overflow() with a clamp would saturate the penalty
> instead of wrapping it.  Could be folded in while memory.high is
> being reworked, or a standalone fix.

I think this could be a real concern, but I'm not sure that my series
is the right place to fold this change in. Namely because I don't
touch the penalty_jiffies / throttling part at all.

Maybe a standalone fix could be worth it? : -) I have no plans at the
moment so please feel free to take a crack at it if you think it's
a good idea!
Joshua

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-19  3:46 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-07 20:20 [RFC PATCH v3 00/14] Introduce tiered memcg limits Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 01/14] mm/memcontrol: Introduce cgroup.memory=tiered_limits boot parameter Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 02/14] mm/memcontrol: Refactor page_counter charging in try_charge_memcg Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 03/14] mm/memory-tiers: Introduce a mapping from nid to tier_slot Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 04/14] mm/memcontrol: Allocate per-tier page_counters Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 05/14] mm/memcontrol: Set tier limits proportional to memory limits Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 06/14] mm/vmscan, memcontrol: Add nodemask to try_to_free_mem_cgroup_pages Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 07/14] mm/memcontrol: Charge/uncharge tiered memory to mem_cgroup Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 08/14] mm/memcontrol: Make memory.low and memory.min tier-aware Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 09/14] mm/memcontrol: Make memory.high tier-aware Joshua Hahn
2026-08-18  1:21   ` Song Hu
2026-08-19  3:46     ` Joshua Hahn [this message]
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 10/14] mm/memcontrol: Make memory.max tier-aware Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 11/14] mm/memcontrol, migrate: Transfer tier charge on migration Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 12/14] mm/memcontrol: Kick async reclaim on migration and folio replacement Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 13/14] mm/memcontrol, sched/numa: Gate NUMA promotions into memcg tiers Joshua Hahn
2026-08-07 20:20 ` [RFC PATCH v3 14/14] mm/page_alloc: steer allocations away from exhausted memory tiers Joshua Hahn

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