From: Mikhail Gavrilov <mikhail.v.gavrilov@gmail.com>
To: tiwai@suse.com
Cc: perex@perex.cz, jikos@kernel.org, bentiss@kernel.org,
linux-sound@vger.kernel.org, linux-input@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2026 23:06:07 +0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260826180607.324604-1-mikhail.v.gavrilov@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260825111239.24834-1-mikhail.v.gavrilov@gmail.com>
Found on my own bench while chasing something else, and I would rather
bring it than have it found for me.
The problem, as a user could see it: after unbinding the vendor
interface by hand, the driver keeps writing to the card. Reads stop --
the control freezes on its last announced value -- while writes go on
reaching the hardware, and the two-second keepalive presumably goes on
with them, into an interface the driver no longer owns.
# echo 3-1.3:1.4 > /sys/bus/usb/drivers/snd-usb-audio/unbind
# amixer -c M62 cget name='Mic-1 Analog Capture Volume' # frozen
# amixer -c M62 cset name='Mic-1 Analog Capture Volume' 50
... and the gain really moves on the card.
The sound card itself survives the unbind untouched, which is right and
is the good half of the result.
My reading of why, and I would be glad to be corrected on it. The quirk
claims that interface with usb_driver_claim_interface() and marks it
USB_AUDIO_IFACE_UNUSED, so usb_audio_disconnect() returns at its first
line and nothing ever tells the quirk to wind down. Meanwhile
usb_interrupt_msg() takes a struct usb_device and an endpoint address,
not an interface, so losing the claim costs the driver nothing on the
write path; the read path dies only because usbcore kills the URBs on
the interface being unbound.
So the claim is what keeps usbhid away, not what grants the right to
write, and the two are easy to conflate -- I had conflated them.
How reachable this is: only by hand from sysfs. A plain unplug takes
the whole device, and there disconnect runs on the audio interfaces and
the quirk is freed with the mixer. I have not found a path that reaches
it in ordinary use.
How I plan to solve it, and this is where I need your word, because the
change is in card.c rather than in my own file. An interface the quirk
claimed is marked exactly like one nobody wanted, and those two are
different things: the first has a driver behind it that should be told
when it goes away. The shapes I can see are
(a) let the quirk register a small teardown callback at claim time
and have usb_audio_disconnect() run it before the early return,
(b) give the claimed-and-used case its own sentinel instead of
USB_AUDIO_IFACE_UNUSED, so disconnect can tell them apart,
(c) leave card.c alone and have the quirk take a usb_device
reference plus its own notifier, which keeps the fix inside
sound/usb/mixer_topping.c at the cost of a second path watching
the same event.
I lean to (b) as the smallest honest change, but this is your file and
the sentinel is your convention.
Whichever you prefer, I would rather send it as a follow-up once the
current series lands than fold it into v9: it is a separate defect,
it touches a path shared by every quirk, and stirring it into a series
under review would make both harder to read.
Mikhail
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2026-08-20 15:13 ` [RFC 0/2] Two ways to reach the Topping M62's analogue gains Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-20 15:13 ` [RFC 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-20 15:13 ` [RFC 2/2] HID: topping: driver for the M62's vendor control channel Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-21 11:23 ` [RFC 0/2] Two ways to reach the Topping M62's analogue gains Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 8:50 ` Takashi Iwai
2026-08-23 14:22 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 14:22 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 14:22 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 19:48 ` [PATCH v3 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 19:48 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 19:48 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 22:29 ` [PATCH v4 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 22:29 ` [PATCH v4 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-23 22:29 ` [PATCH v4 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-24 20:13 ` [PATCH v5 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-24 20:13 ` [PATCH v5 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-24 20:13 ` [PATCH v5 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-24 22:31 ` [PATCH v6 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-24 22:31 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-24 22:31 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-25 8:56 ` [PATCH v7 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-25 8:56 ` [PATCH v7 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-25 8:56 ` [PATCH v7 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-25 11:12 ` [PATCH v8 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-25 11:12 ` [PATCH v8 1/2] ALSA: usb-audio: expose the Topping M62's analogue gains as mixer controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-25 11:12 ` [PATCH v8 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: let the M62's outputs say what they listen to Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-08-26 18:06 ` Mikhail Gavrilov [this message]
2026-09-03 8:30 ` [PATCH v8 0/2] ALSA: usb-audio: the Topping M62's vendor controls Takashi Iwai
2026-09-03 9:35 ` Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-03 10:02 ` Takashi Iwai
2026-09-03 10:19 ` Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 0:18 ` Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 7:05 ` Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 11:26 ` [RFC PATCH 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 11:26 ` [RFC PATCH 1/2] HID: topping-m62: driver for the M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 11:26 ` [RFC PATCH 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: bind the Topping " Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 14:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 14:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 1/2] HID: topping-m62: driver for the M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 14:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: bind the Topping " Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 14:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 14:42 ` [RFC PATCH v3 1/2] HID: topping-m62: driver for the M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 14:43 ` [RFC PATCH v3 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: bind the Topping " Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 15:30 ` [RFC PATCH v4 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 15:30 ` [RFC PATCH v4 1/2] HID: topping-m62: driver for the M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 15:30 ` [RFC PATCH v4 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: bind the Topping " Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 16:22 ` [RFC PATCH v5 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 16:22 ` [RFC PATCH v5 1/2] HID: topping-m62: driver for the M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 16:22 ` [RFC PATCH v5 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: bind the Topping " Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 16:58 ` [RFC PATCH v6 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 16:58 ` [RFC PATCH v6 1/2] HID: topping-m62: driver for the M62's vendor controls Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-04 16:58 ` [RFC PATCH v6 2/2] ALSA: usb-audio: bind the Topping " Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-29 17:29 ` [RFC PATCH v6 0/2] the Topping M62's vendor controls, on the component framework Mikhail Gavrilov
2026-09-30 13:32 ` Takashi Iwai
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