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From: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
To: Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com>
Cc: chrisl@kernel.org, kasong@tencent.com, hannes@cmpxchg.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 00/11] Virtual Swap Space (Swap Table Edition)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2026 20:07:16 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260827200716.97881447f243c4afd275144e@linux-foundation.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260825153238.2695446-1-nphamcs@gmail.com>

On Tue, 25 Aug 2026 08:32:26 -0700 Nhat Pham <nphamcs@gmail.com> wrote:

> Currently, when an anon page is swapped out, a slot in a backing swap
> device is allocated and stored in the page table entries that refer to
> the original page. This slot is also used as the "key" to find the
> swapped out content, as well as the index to swap data structures, such
> as the swap cache, or the swap cgroup mapping. Tying a swap entry to its
> backing slot in this way is performant and efficient when swap is purely
> just disk space, and swapoff is rare.
> 
> However, the advent of many swap optimizations has exposed major
> drawbacks of this design. The first problem is that we occupy a physical
> slot in the swap space, even for pages that are NEVER expected to hit
> the disk: pages compressed and stored in the zswap pool, zero-filled
> pages, or pages rejected by both of these optimizations when zswap
> writeback is disabled. This is arguably the central shortcoming of
> zswap:

Thanks.

I asked Gemini for a tl;dr and was told

: Introduce Virtual Swap Space (vswap) to decouple swap entry management
: from physical disk slots by using dynamically allocated virtual
: clusters that back swap entries on demand via zswap, zero-filled pages,
: or physical disk.  Eliminate wasted storage space, remove the need for
: static swapfile provisioning, and enable in-memory swap features on
: diskless systems without degrading performance.

I'll take no action at this time - let's see what the other swap
developers make of this.

Sashiko was talkative, as usual:
	https://sashiko.dev/#/patchset/20260825153238.2695446-1-nphamcs@gmail.com

There are a few pre-existing things in among this, They look legit to
me, from a quick read.  SWAP_USAGE_OFFLIST_BIT should use
BITS_PER_TYPE(atomic_long_t)?


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-28  3:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-25 15:32 Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 01/11] mm, swap: add virtual swap device infrastructure Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 02/11] mm, swap: support zswap and zero-filled swap pages as vswap backends Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 03/11] mm, swap: prepare the swap IO path for vswap Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 04/11] mm, swap: support physical swap as a vswap backend Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 05/11] mm, swap: enable THP swapin for vswap entries Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 06/11] mm, swap: write back vswap zswap entries to physical swap Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 07/11] mm, swap: reclaim physical slots backing cache-only vswap entries Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 08/11] mm, swap: only charge physical swap entries Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 09/11] mm, swap: add debugfs counters for vswap Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 10/11] mm, swap: defer memcg_table allocation for physical swap clusters Nhat Pham
2026-08-25 15:32 ` [PATCH v4 11/11] mm, swap: widen swap_info_struct max/pages to unsigned long Nhat Pham
2026-08-28  3:07 ` Andrew Morton [this message]
2026-08-28 17:14   ` [PATCH v4 00/11] Virtual Swap Space (Swap Table Edition) Nhat Pham

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