From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@nvidia.com>
To: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: David Matlack <dmatlack@google.com>,
Logan Odell <loganodell@google.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/3] liveupdate: Move to feature flags for LUO and memfd ABI compatibility
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2026 19:57:28 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260910225728.GB857650@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <aqMyXE-fD-UN6w5L@google.com>
On Thu, Sep 10, 2026 at 03:42:36PM -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 10, 2026, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > Sean's initial email was asking for strict never-break ABI compatability
> > rules on top, and that is what I've been reacting to.
>
> No, I was never asking for that. I think we just have a different interpretation
> of ABI, or rather are talking about different pieces of ABI.
>
> I am still asking for never-break serialization format compatibility, i.e. the
> more literal save/restore ABI. I'm not asking for full backwards/forwards
> compatibility across all kernels version, i.e. the higher level "kernel" ABI.
>
> To phrase things differently: I am a-ok if kernels are inherently incompatible
> because they fundamentally operate differently and/or support different features.
> I am not ok if we end up with incompatible kernels because the save/restore
> interfaces and payloads are poorly designed, lack abstraction, etc.
I can more agree with this, it is mostly what I thought we'd end up
doing anyhow with version numbers and growing the structs not
replacing them.
So you still end up with a version label (string I guess?) because we
can break it from time to time, just the version should have the
feature mechanism layered under it? I'm fine with that
Jason
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-10 22:57 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-09-03 2:34 Logan Odell
2026-09-03 2:34 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] luo: Move to feature flags instead of compatibility strings Logan Odell
2026-09-03 2:34 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] luo: Export feature support to vmlinux section Logan Odell
2026-09-03 2:34 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] luo: memfd: Move to feature flags instead of compatibility strings Logan Odell
2026-09-04 16:00 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] liveupdate: Move to feature flags for LUO and memfd ABI compatibility Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-04 22:24 ` David Matlack
2026-09-05 1:24 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-10 0:58 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-10 14:34 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-10 15:35 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-10 17:12 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-10 21:27 ` David Matlack
2026-09-10 22:18 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-10 22:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-10 22:57 ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-09-11 10:27 ` David Woodhouse
2026-09-11 13:44 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-09-11 14:30 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-11 17:16 ` Paolo Bonzini
2026-09-11 18:26 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-09-11 16:57 ` Paolo Bonzini
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