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From: Meagan Lloyd <meaganlloyd@linux.microsoft.com>
To: Sam Agazaryan <samagazaryan@google.com>
Cc: Meagan Lloyd <meaganlloyd@linux.microsoft.com>,
	linux-i3c@lists.infradead.org,
	Alexandre Belloni <alexandre.belloni@bootlin.com>,
	Frank Li <Frank.Li@nxp.com>,
	Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Vitor Soares <vitor.soares@toradex.com>,
	Oleksandr Shulzhenko <oleksandr.shulzhenko.viktorovych@intel.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, tgopinath@linux.microsoft.com,
	boris.brezillon@collabora.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/3] i3c: add i3cdev module to expose i3c dev in /dev
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 15:27:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260917-b3831e748e890287325aae49@linux.microsoft.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHreonH0b=spgb2LuUbVvWHarJWf3MOyL8qS5k_1X6gb_mjVkg@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Sep 11, 2026 at 05:12:40PM -0700, Sam Agazaryan wrote:
> Hey Meagan,
> 
> Thanks for sharing your patch series.
> 
>  The reason we have the bus notifier system here is
>  1. Dynamic module loading is handled automatically: if i3cdev is built-in and
>     a specialized driver module loads later, the bus notifier receives
>     BUS_NOTIFY_BIND_DRIVER and immediately calls i3cdev_detach().

I think the bus notifier approach has the potential to hit some race
conditions with other drivers.

For example, drivers/base/dd.c, really_probe is the only spot in the
source code that BUS_NOTIFY_BIND_DRIVER event occurs:
    really_probe
        driver_sysfs_add <- where BUS_NOTIFY_BIND_DRIVER occurs
        call_driver_probe

If a specialized driver's probe sets dev->driver_data, and i3cdev_detach
gets to run afterwards, wouldn't it overwrite driver_data with
NULL and clobber the driver_data?

Similarly, a driver setting dev->driver_data could cause you to lose
your i3cdev_data pointer - which you need for teardown in i3cdev_detach.

The use of the dev->driver_data field when i3cdev isn't a registered 
device driver was one of the feedback points flagged in v3 (2020).

>  2. No cross-subsystem changes needed. The bus notifier avoids touching other
>     subsystems entirely.

That's true and certainly a plus!

>  3. Boot-time recovery flows: For OCP Secure Firmware Recovery
>     devices come up unbound and need /dev/bus/i3c/<device> available
>     immediately without requiring udev rules or sysfs writes first.
> 

Why can't you use udev rules?

You can use them to automatically set driver_override & bind to i3cdev.
Once the rules are in-place, the setup of character device files in
/dev/bus/i3c/<device> will be immediate and automatic on-boot and for any
devices that join later.

You can also do it for all I3C devices if that's what you want.

> It looks like we're both going in the same direction for UAPI integration too.
> 
> If you're open to collaborating, I think we can combine and converge on a single
> i3cdev driver - adopting all necessary fixes and ensuring the UAPI and features
> cover both of our use cases so we have one unified series (and any
> other use cases
> or desires we may want out of an i3cdev driver).

Yeah, I am up for that! :)

> I'd like to know what everyone thinks about taking that approach also
> if there are any
> other use cases we may be missing here, regardless of which patch set we choose.
> 
> I guess just to get things moving, if we go one way and choose to go
> forward with
> the bus notifier approach, Meagan would you be okay with me incorporating your
> Patch 2/3 for actual_len for the i3c controller drivers? Of course
> with your authorship.

Sure. I should have mentioned is that I only have a Designware I3C controller,
so hopefully we can source help to test actual_len for other controller drivers.

Thanks,
Meagan

  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-17 22:28 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-06 20:27 [PATCH v4 0/3] i3c: Introduce i3c device userspace interface Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-06 20:27 ` [PATCH v4 1/3] i3c: master: export i3c_masterdev_type Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-06 20:27 ` [PATCH v4 2/3] i3c: master: add i3c_for_each_dev helper Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-06 20:27 ` [PATCH v4 3/3] i3c: add i3cdev module to expose i3c dev in /dev Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-07 14:40   ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-09-09  6:13     ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-09 21:51   ` Frank Li
2026-09-11  3:44     ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-11 15:10       ` Frank Li
2026-09-11 23:57         ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-11 19:03       ` Adrian Hunter
2026-09-14 23:46         ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-15  9:49           ` Adrian Hunter
2026-09-15 21:26             ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-11 22:05   ` Meagan Lloyd
2026-09-12  0:12     ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-17 22:27       ` Meagan Lloyd [this message]
2026-09-18 18:59         ` Meagan Lloyd
2026-09-18 20:21           ` Greg Kroah-Hartman
2026-09-18 22:47           ` Sam Agazaryan
2026-09-08 11:48 ` [PATCH v4 0/3] i3c: Introduce i3c device userspace interface Wolfram Sang
2026-09-12 11:12 ` Wolfram Sang
2026-09-14 20:58   ` Sam Agazaryan

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