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From: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>
To: Mahanta Jambigi <mjambigi@linux.ibm.com>
Cc: Luis Chamberlain <mcgrof@kernel.org>,
	Petr Pavlu <petr.pavlu@suse.com>,
	Daniel Gomez <da.gomez@kernel.org>,
	Sami Tolvanen <samitolvanen@google.com>,
	Aaron Tomlin <atomlin@atomlin.com>,
	linux-modules@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	netdev@vger.kernel.org, linux-s390@vger.kernel.org,
	"D. Wythe" <alibuda@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Dust Li <dust.li@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Sidraya Jayagond <sidraya@linux.ibm.com>,
	Tony Lu <tonylu@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Wen Gu <guwen@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Alexandra Winter <wintera@linux.ibm.com>,
	Halil Pasic <pasic@linux.ibm.com>,
	Hidayath Khan <hidayath@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC] module: init-failure path can free a module with live try_module_get() users
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2026 14:22:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260918142241.55a6630a@pumpkin> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5dc1fe2b-289e-4786-b9e9-e181dda8d4e9@linux.ibm.com>

On Mon, 24 Aug 2026 11:43:46 +0530
Mahanta Jambigi <mjambigi@linux.ibm.com> wrote:

> Hi Luis, Petr, Daniel, Sami, Aaron,
> 
> I'm writing to ask about what looks like a generic module-init failure
> lifetime problem in the module loader. I ran into it while working on
> the SMC networking module (net/smc/), but after several patch
> iterations, it seems the root issue may belong in kernel/module/main.c
> rather than in SMC itself. I'd appreciate your guidance on whether this
> reading is correct, and if so, what fix direction would be preferred.
> 
> THE ISSUE IN do_init_module()
> =============================
> 
> include/linux/module.h has a long-standing FIXME in module_is_live():
> 
>     /* FIXME: It'd be nice to isolate modules during init, too, so they
>        aren't used before they (may) fail. But presently too much code
>        (IDE & SCSI) require entry into the module during init. */
>     static inline bool module_is_live(struct module *mod)
>     {
>         return mod->state != MODULE_STATE_GOING;
>     }
> 
> Because MODULE_STATE_COMING is not MODULE_STATE_GOING, try_module_get()
> can succeed once a module's __init is executing. If __init makes the
> module externally reachable partway through and then later fails, the
> failure path in do_init_module() appears to do:

It is rather worse that that.
If sock_create() auto-loads a module (eg sctp) then nothing stops a second
sock_create() entering the protocol code before the initialisation completes.
That can be hit by two separate applications, I hit it from an out of tree
kernel module and avoided the problem by putting a mutex() around the
sock_create() call.

It might help by letting try_module_get(THIS_MODULE) always succeed
while blocking other requests until initialisation completes.
The code making the call must own a reference (otherwise the code could
just disappear), and that reference stops the module being unloaded.
That would let the initialisation code grab extra references (eg for
a worker thread) without allowing other codes paths enter the
part-initialised driver.

David

> 
>     fail:
>         mod->state = MODULE_STATE_GOING;
>         synchronize_rcu();
>         module_put(mod);
>         ...
>         free_module(mod);
> 
> synchronize_rcu() waits for RCU readers, but not for threads that
> already obtained a module reference via try_module_get() and are still
> executing module text.
> 
> By contrast, the normal unload path in try_stop_module() refuses to
> proceed while the refcount is non-zero.
> 
> So the asymmetry seems to be that the normal unload path waits for
> references to drain, while the init-failure path does not.
> 
> A concrete race would look like:
> 
>   1. Module __init registers an externally reachable interface.
>   2. User space enters through that interface and try_module_get()
>      succeeds while the module is still COMING.
>   3. A later __init step fails.
>   4. do_init_module() frees the module.
>   5. The in-flight caller is still executing module text.
> 
> SMC AS A CONCRETE EXAMPLE
> =========================
> 
> In SMC, simply moving registration later does not appear to eliminate
> the window, because there are two separate registration points that can
> make the module reachable via socket():
> 
>   1. sock_register(&smc_sock_family_ops)
>      After this, socket(AF_SMC, ...) can succeed and reach
>      try_module_get() via __sock_create().
> 
>   2. smc_inet_init() -> inet_register_protosw()
>      After this, socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_SMC) can succeed
>      and again reach try_module_get().
> 
> Either registration point can succeed before a later init step fails.
> 
> This may not be specific to SMC; other protocol modules that become
> reachable during init, such as Bluetooth, may have similar exposure and
> appear worth auditing as well.
> 
> ON THE FIXME'S IDE/SCSI CONCERN
> ===============================
> 
> The FIXME mentions IDE and SCSI as reasons not to isolate modules
> during init.
> 
>   1. IDE was removed in Linux 5.14, so that half of the concern no
>      longer applies.
> 
>   2. SCSI still appears to self-reference during init
>      (scsi_device_get() -> try_module_get(hostt->module) during
>      scsi_scan_host()), so a blanket wait-for-refcount-to-drain
>      approach in the failure path may deadlock there.
> 
> Also, strong_try_module_get() already rejects MODULE_STATE_COMING with
> -EBUSY, so the infrastructure for refusing callers during init already
> exists in some form.
> 
> QUESTIONS
> =========
> 
> First, is my reading of this init-failure refcount/lifetime asymmetry
> correct?
> 
> If so, would one of the following directions be acceptable?
> 
>   1. An opt-in mechanism (for example, a module flag) for modules that
>      are safe to isolate during init and whose init-failure path should
>      wait for external references to drain.
> 
>   2. Treating MODULE_STATE_COMING as non-live for normal
>      try_module_get() users, with some explicit escape hatch for the
>      remaining subsystems that genuinely need self-entry during init.
> 
> Any guidance on the preferred direction would be much appreciated.
> 
> Best regards,
> Mahanta Jambigi
> 


      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-09-18 13:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 6+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-24  6:13 Mahanta Jambigi
2026-08-28 12:03 ` Petr Pavlu
2026-08-31 10:00   ` Mahanta Jambigi
2026-09-08 12:10     ` Petr Pavlu
2026-09-18 12:36       ` Mahanta Jambigi
2026-09-18 13:22 ` David Laight [this message]

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