Re: [PATCH RFC -next 00/12] landlock: Add READ_METADATA and WRITE_METADATA access rights

["Günther Noack" <gnoack3000@gmail.com>]

Hello!

On Fri, Sep 25, 2026 at 02:03:05PM -0400, Justin Suess wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 24, 2026 at 06:48:19PM +0800, Cai Xinchen wrote:
> > This series adds two new Landlock filesystem access rights,
> > LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_READ_METADATA and LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_WRITE_METADATA,
> > which control access to file and directory metadata such as inode
> > attributes (mode, ownership, timestamps), extended attributes and POSIX
> > ACLs.  It picks up the work from the "landlock: add chmod and chown
> > support" series [1] and follows the coarse-grained grouping discussed in
> > that thread [2]: instead of separate chmod/chown rights, metadata
> > operations are grouped into one read and one write right.
> > 
> > Landlock evaluates access rights on a per-path basis, but the metadata
> > related LSM hooks (inode_getattr, inode_setattr, inode_setxattr,
> > inode_getxattr, inode_listxattr, inode_removexattr, inode_set_acl,
> > inode_get_acl, inode_remove_acl) only receive the dentry of the accessed
> > object.  Patches 1-7 therefore first pass struct path instead of dentry
> > through the metadata-related VFS helpers and LSM hooks.  This is a pure
> > refactoring with no behavior change, split so that every patch builds
> > and works on its own:
> >
> I like these patches, but is the ability to read metadata already
> sorta controlled by LANDLOCK_ACCESS_FS_READ_DIR on the parent
> directory?
> 
> The one case I see this being different is:
> 
> 1. if you wanted to grant read access to the file, but not metadata
> read access, but I can't think of any usecase for being able to read
> the contents of a file, but not the metadata. (see below)
> 
> 2. If you had the absolute path already and didn't need READ_DIR.
> 
> I see introducing this READ_METADATA as causing potential
> hard-to-diagnose issues.
> 
> Say you handle READ_METADATA and READ_FILE, but only grant READ_FILE.
> 
> The program can technically open the file with the READ_FILE permission,
> but it may error out because the stat() on it beforehand failed.
> It's pretty common for programs to do that kind of thing (stat before
> open), like for checking for config files (strace bash and you see it
> stat .profile, /etc/profile)
> 
> There may be other bugs, because being able to set permissions to read
> a file *but not read it's metadata* isn't possible currently in posix
> acl and userspace may not work well if that assumption no longer holds.
> 
> So maybe WRITE_METADATA is good enough?

The existing use cases are the combinations of (a) READ_DIR
allowed/denied and (b) READ_METADATA allowed/denied.  Because these
two access rights overlap slightly, it seems likely that for a given
directory or file, users will want to either grant both, or deny both.

At the moment, where the (not yet existing) READ_METADATA is
implicitly always allowed, the problematic case is the one where the
Landlock user wants to deny READ_DIR, but where much of the same
metadata is still available through stat() and the various
get-attribute syscalls.  (c.f. the warning box in the Landlock docs
[1])

In my view the READ_METADATA right closes a gap that READ_DIR left
open (which is also potentially surprising to callers if they did not
read the docs closely).  Also, if its implementation is symmetric to
WRITE_METADATA, I feel that it's worth having it in the same patch
set.

–Günther

P.S.: I know, even after we can control stat(), there are likely ways
to infer the presence of a file by observing Landlock error codes.
This would be nice to fix as well, but is harder to do without
controlling the path walk itself [2].  But also, the fact that this is
currently not controllable is not an excuse for leaving READ_METADATA
open IMHO.

[1] https://docs.kernel.org/userspace-api/landlock.html#filesystem-flags
[2] https://github.com/landlock-lsm/linux/issues/9