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From: Fred Griffoul <griffoul@gmail.com>
To: "Paolo Bonzini" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/6] dma-buf: Add get_phys() to describe a physical run
Date: Mon,  5 Oct 2026 13:20:46 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261005132046.30025-1-griffoul@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a04f17cc-f59a-4240-81c8-29776eee3a2e@amd.com>

On 10/5/26 Christian König wrote:
> Well filling page tables by the importer is an absolutely clear NO-GO
> for the DMA-buf design, we have gotten down that path already and it
> took us years to remove this functionality again.

Understood, thanks for the quick and clear answers on this patch and on
patch 3.

> The problem you are facing here is that dma_buf_mmap() doesn't work
> because you don't have a VMA.

Right: the memory has no struct page and is deliberately not mapped in
the host, so there is no VMA to hand to KVM.

I'll post a new version of this series. It drops get_phys(), the ranged
invalidation and the guest_memfd dma-buf import (patches 2-5), and it
does not touch drivers/dma-buf, as you suggested in the PAL discussion:

  https://lore.kernel.org/all/c413710b-4c28-4ed8-88ec-aeb8c4482011@amd.com/

KVM gets its frames through the KVM-private guest_memfd provider
interface from David's series. iommufd gets them through a private
interface with the exporter, as it already does for vfio-pci. The new
version adds a small registry in iommufd for that, which replaces the
symbol_get() of the sample in David's series. The dma-buf is then only
the handle and the existing revoke.

Thanks,
Fred

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-05 13:20 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-20 11:03 [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] KVM: Allow alternative providers of guest_memfd backed by PFNMAP memory David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03 ` [RFC PATCH v2 01/11] KVM: selftests: sev_smoke_test: Only run VM types the host offers David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 02/11] KVM: selftests: sev_init2_tests: Derive SEV availability from KVM David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 03/11] KVM: SEV: Remove struct page dependency from SNP gmem paths David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 04/11] KVM: guest_memfd: Introduce guest memory ops and route native gmem through them David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 05/11] iommufd: Look up private-interconnect phys via exporter symbols David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 06/11] iommufd: Plumb dma-buf memory-type (RAM vs MMIO) through the phys map David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 07/11] KVM: guest_memfd: Add ops-driven page revocation David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 08/11] samples/kvm: Add guest_memfd backing sample David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 09/11] selftests/kvm: gmem_provider KVM-only tests David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 10/11] selftests/kvm: gmem_provider iommufd tests David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 11:03   ` [RFC PATCH v2 11/11] samples/kvm, selftests/kvm: Allow the gmem_provider NVMe DMA test on arm64 David Woodhouse
2026-07-20 15:11 ` [RFC PATCH v2 00/11] KVM: Allow alternative providers of guest_memfd backed by PFNMAP memory Paolo Bonzini
2026-07-20 16:39   ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-23  0:24 ` Ackerley Tng
2026-07-23  9:40   ` David Woodhouse
2026-07-23 16:01     ` Ackerley Tng
2026-10-05  9:55 ` [RFC PATCH 0/6] KVM: guest_memfd: back guest_memfd with an imported dma-buf Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05  9:55   ` [RFC PATCH 1/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add a writable result to get_pfn() Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05  9:55   ` [RFC PATCH 2/6] dma-buf: Add get_phys() to describe a physical run Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 10:07     ` Christian König
2026-10-05 13:20       ` Fred Griffoul [this message]
2026-10-05 14:53         ` Christian König
2026-10-05  9:55   ` [RFC PATCH 3/6] dma-buf: Add ranged mapping invalidation Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05 10:08     ` Christian König
2026-10-05  9:55   ` [RFC PATCH 4/6] dma-buf: Allow dynamic attach without a device Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05  9:55   ` [RFC PATCH 5/6] KVM: guest_memfd: Add dma-buf backing Fred Griffoul
2026-10-05  9:55   ` [RFC PATCH 6/6] samples/kvm, selftests/kvm: Exercise " Fred Griffoul

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