From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from relay.hostedemail.com (smtprelay0015.hostedemail.com [216.40.44.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 711285FDA7; Sun, 11 Oct 2026 01:05:10 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.15 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791680713; cv=none; b=tRtxdIiTb48Ym8LSkt0zojSpXC2iEkuEhkkKru4IDM9FuYGHfxzzG6aJrn5AaPMsZOcbEMx6aztMh6BdidcjITUZMJqWnui0UxSGuuVVR65IqWQrT9OCbjK7EPbL/ZIUBS6MnYD+3LNS5Xwyi86mFv02Z//kqNuTCR31/kpQ+FQ= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791680713; c=relaxed/simple; bh=NwIrUga9b4XWzmXvsWtEd+RZQWZ+MDFrzNPkbN+jRUs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OPzFd9rgpxJzN/bm0BhCoFa3dgv4eDbO1OYqbOyWTyFMcY5s7Cx/8a39vddl6M5fN7dBrTM0qT/CrmxCeN1rC+tR/ow7mcu8nMS6jetsej/lwannXn7uodNS145XNLholn2qXKOmU/c21rDq7or5qkByju1XnknxZefJKRo3LpU= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=goodmis.org header.i=@goodmis.org header.b=rmEq5nPK; arc=none smtp.client-ip=216.40.44.15 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=goodmis.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=goodmis.org header.i=@goodmis.org header.b="rmEq5nPK" Received: from omf06.hostedemail.com (lb01a-stub [10.200.18.249]) by unirelay01.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E041C1C3E57; Sun, 11 Oct 2026 01:05:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [HIDDEN] (Authenticated sender: rostedt@goodmis.org) by omf06.hostedemail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id DB4B42000F; Sun, 11 Oct 2026 01:05:00 +0000 (UTC) Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2026 21:04:59 -0400 From: Steven Rostedt To: Jonathan Corbet Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski , Sasha Levin , skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, apw@canonical.com, joe@perches.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Message-ID: <20261010210459.754754db@226.227.38.69.naturalwireless.com> In-Reply-To: <87h5iuc34d.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> References: <20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org> <0914a106-bacf-4d95-854a-bfeefbff62a4@kernel.org> <87h5iuc34d.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.4.0 (GTK 3.24.52; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Stat-Signature: 4nbt6z3zf33eoo5pptiukh5zyf9mt318 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamout08 X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: DB4B42000F X-Session-Marker: 726F737465647440676F6F646D69732E6F7267 X-Session-ID: U2FsdGVkX1+Pl75A/KiiZqBTNpHl35AS59TluHgMZws= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=goodmis.org; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s=dkim1; bh=16sCUqLYV87A5p11CoByGeqqxFRcv9a/6HeCRuarGhs=; b=rmEq5nPKeHH8xeuZSPLyNgM8kbfzjYWIjs6km5UzEL732/RPAvvFBzLQLSiQ2f0uNmVzlKbREmnoa34tOx1YTecKfYGgQW0O8U/orbP24UkqAZgxXKpXG1zLNAcm8sM+P7Wu9d9t1EzIOUf1aiJUqamictCEzvfEloFfKEdnEIo= X-HE-Tag: 1791680700-852726 X-HE-Meta: U2FsdGVkX1/0uN9GxV3sEBGZRmqbdDEYjZiZdVq22rujsl6GrghBp/KhJEpuSLA6IewMmfEU5DyBEpdyTHCemY9dK5MnVwHkZOAYNvD3shsL1Cbg8sf3ZZN/RhOVg4RIeL8ORVFaYi7k86ql8/4A1a4OLYhu1QPacJ8EcriF4USK2ttre9JyuyXplS7tMWeUFCPJOUSkIMmq+qelB3opTl1rIMH5JN4tEms6FPptNdC8UgfC4I0d1XWH5KF60SAFRZBF3UcgJ4PK1AEglCrPJ7fN9SLuslqc1WFaZsdngOGJE0LHIr9eXhijPjudL6TjgCt1pHwPGcTLebySpk2a0YD/As9o9OTeQxgt2WfjSj28EmzBjJwDXADXLPxePbVemjsqiCpXGUv0dOAeRnPTzg== On Fri, 09 Oct 2026 09:20:18 -0600 Jonathan Corbet wrote: > Krzysztof Kozlowski writes: > > > On 09/10/2026 10:31, Sasha Levin wrote: > >> The Maintainers Summit reached consensus to deprecate the Assisted-by > >> tag. Remove the documentation requiring it. > > > > Please provide here some sort of arguments used in that summit > > consensus/discussion. This basically reverts/changes previous consensus > > [1], which is fine itself, but it lacks reasoning. > > > > [1] https://lore.kernel.org/workflows/2026070224-unholy-commode-cf45@gregkh/ > > I'm working on a report on the discussion, don't worry...Monday or > Tuesday probably. But changes like this should not rely on LWN articles. They need to be presented in mailing list. Honestly, I would like to have a "Vibe-coded-with:" tag. Why?, when I do a git blame and want to ask the author why they did the change the way they did, I would likely not expect much if they vibe coded it. When we first started talking about what constitutes an Assisted-by tag (using AI to debug, or review, or simply add templates), there wasn't really any agreement to where it should stop. I have always been of the idea that I want to know if someone actually wrote the code. If all you did was use prompts, then you didn't write it. You simply instructed a computer what to do. Much like helping a junior engineer. But with a junior engineer, they would have the authorship and signed-off-by and the kernel developer would likely just get "suggested-by". But we don't do that for computers. But still it should be tagged that the author didn't write the code somehow. I wasn't at the maintainer summit to express my opinion so I'm doing it here. -- Steve