From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 703DE421245; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 17:32:46 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791912768; cv=none; b=ZoH7fJ6spMzuT1gtc1B/F1vj6lOsVYloxliOUAMd4ny8EzZoXkHEyyKXW9pyE9fGN/yeYVwvliY6BhGPZYXZrWDOTX/J2s4QN/7xS9/x+M6ZSWhSrOy430mAWt3F1zQFUx9syaSRwX85gQ5J+dXasQKiadeHilXMnWEHSuWm49o= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1791912768; c=relaxed/simple; bh=xhyOmlY04l3SVooKPFR6wWaAfhoNF1ej31jWi9WMbns=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=MB0RNubBryzXRs2Sywf3YVfdz3hM+CeRaJXiGMugM/WonT1xnbrhVYpFW99JcJgjbjjdXRKuLgpi06xsihrKaPJqbDJo8hwLUV86uWAP6gTWsQC0XpF5tLTdVdnjyhKRKOl/qyrACeeiGX2x0ahVvX2LwybRUY8DpdQSkVpRMk8= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=D+jcCMQO; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="D+jcCMQO" Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (85-76-151-95-nat.elisa-mobile.fi [85.76.151.95]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3CC9619C; Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:30:42 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1791912642; bh=xhyOmlY04l3SVooKPFR6wWaAfhoNF1ej31jWi9WMbns=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=D+jcCMQOrybt5E0xK7HdqVioNujBVrA5c9LVXwD6sOnxWQ00hvUJbxK2GZzQ/JOmS 3gqlFaUgO3vGZoobF9Sb3KUFdJHO3h0O313Xgg7ae9nz4vXkvon4ZERIDb2b3MSKRW PGyukK2XCLs74urx4TZN7Ki/fTc5kj1wZ/KBGXdY= Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2026 19:32:40 +0200 From: Laurent Pinchart To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" Cc: Krzysztof Kozlowski , Sasha Levin , corbet@lwn.net, skhan@linuxfoundation.org, rdunlap@infradead.org, federico.vaga@vaga.pv.it, apw@canonical.com, joe@perches.com, workflows@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Linus Torvalds , Justin Stitt , Carlos Maiolino , Jakub Kicinski , Jori Koolstra , Brian Foster , Christoph Hellwig , David Disseldorp , Mark Brown , Jani Nikula , Jens Axboe , "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" , Vlastimil Babka , "Christian Brauner (Amutable)" Subject: Re: [PATCH] docs: remove Assisted-by references Message-ID: <20261013173240.GK4214@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <20261009083137.3-1-sashal@kernel.org> <0914a106-bacf-4d95-854a-bfeefbff62a4@kernel.org> <20261013123132.GC4214@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <20261013131243.GM56180@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 02:29:08PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 03:12:43PM +0200, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2026 at 01:59:33PM +0100, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote: > > > > Ignoring is the only workable long-term solution. > > > > How do you decide which patches to ignore ? > > Anything that looks schloppy. ATM it's very easy to tell. > > In future it will be newcomers who do anything but the most trivial work. Or > they will at least be super-deprioritised. As people tend to quote Linus in this mail thread, it's important to recall what he (and others) said during the maintainer summit: the kernel developers who code without using LLMs are not just tolerated, we *want* them. We want them to learn and contribute, we *want* more juniors who are genuinely participating. It was very clear during the discussions that raising the barrier to entry applied to LLM-generated contributions ("they have no excuse for being anything but perfect" - not a litteral quote as I didn't record the conversation, but the closest I can do based on my memory), not to human coders. > Yes there will be collateral damage, but it's that or no more open source (we're > not the only ones going through this!) Think how you will feel the day you will be treated as collateral damage. I find this mail thread it taking an almost cynical and violent turn. Are people rejoicing at the prospect of actively discriminating against sincere contributors, or am I misreading it ? The kernel community needs more care. -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart