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Mon, 19 Oct 2026 10:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from osiris (unknown [9.87.85.9]) by smtpav04.fra02v.mail.ibm.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS; Mon, 19 Oct 2026 10:05:06 +0000 (GMT) Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2026 12:05:05 +0200 From: Heiko Carstens To: Breno Rodrigues Alves Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jonathan Corbet , Andy Whitcroft , Joe Perches , Dwaipayan Ray , Lukas Bulwahn Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 0/7] scripts: convert seven more Perl utilities to Python Message-ID: <20261019100505.3199861A74-hca@linux.ibm.com> References: <87fqy2afnk.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> <20261018231917.74657-1-breno3011alves@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20261018231917.74657-1-breno3011alves@gmail.com> X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-Proofpoint-Reinject: loops=2 maxloops=12 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Info: AW1haW4tMjYxMDE5MDAzOCBTYWx0ZWRfX+aV97/Xs3eHB jXu091UFhs5dxI1L6Hps8vzbo8pkFEHxJKFfvfqUIez01QkhGlZfn04SRkjpHZZfjDrxFXlabRN 2KSnqenJWHBVLzb23dFYdzKe04wywn4= X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details-Enc: AW1haW4tMjYxMDE5MDAzOCBTYWx0ZWRfX7qVP4LINC9Bv n2M/U5RGsGpBROQVVxQHpxYRXCL7xEttInq0+HZEDpfITTfiK80G2yPHiBb2etagIxtDAftS8xm YqsJJ1wUtZq9YO8tL5JRPvdLod0cuBT2v2ZAffCzACw50AqA5oWARRF/++MJ/r+PCl3weX1tE+x Br/P3+Wr/PPeFx1AVFl17TMUshim7Vx/s3T+wlr3ANVUuP9iM+rOV03dfN7KM8pDc/Q0bWUGAX3 yNvU4ohaFYk8hCOO0aH2kdnrf4HDVTkGVCNhHOfxwS+DzGb2PWPf180k9tThKBHEpiv9T01FYeN SDCel87xJCW/sz1mfoX2SoLqAUmRiWfIW8FWLDNckvyEDiY5nSwIXB63WoEN8GUQ0hUSbG6jVEp qeV3DXHLg/+PZuYPAercvGPELC4VwAyCFvTqdgGpqIVy4CwlS4tvFOTDqm8acDfs//daeQgEkLl i5IQevvWrDF+n2IObSg== X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: DYsz7-KuMdptwUsNvQAq1AUqnMsxbkEH X-Proofpoint-GUID: Ph2-isNKs3OSuOM3TWjvp2dd4y8iNqT4 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.4 cv=KujYSmWN c=1 sm=1 tr=0 ts=6ad5eb55 cx=c_pps a=aDMHemPKRhS1OARIsFnwRA==:117 a=aDMHemPKRhS1OARIsFnwRA==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=660iZSQnnn4A:10 a=VkNPw1HP01LnGYTKEx00:22 a=RnoormkPH1_aCDwRdu11:22 a=iQ6ETzBq9ecOQQE5vZCe:22 a=ETaVDiiQOobJf2lY2hwA:9 a=3ZKOabzyN94A:10 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.293,Aquarius:18.0.1176,Hydra:6.1.134,FMLib:17.12.100.49 definitions=2026-10-19_03,2026-10-14_01,2025-10-01_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=outbound_notspam policy=outbound score=0 adultscore=0 impostorscore=0 suspectscore=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=typeunknown authscore=0 authtc= authcc= route=outbound adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.22.0-2610080000 definitions=main-2610190038 On Sun, Oct 18, 2026 at 08:19:16PM -0300, Breno Rodrigues Alves wrote: > > So an important part of describing any change is *why* you are doing it. > > Why are you doing all of these conversions? Some of these scripts have > > not seen changes in decades and are likely unused; why do we want to > > mess with them now? > > You're right, and thanks for pushing on this — I should have framed > the *why* in the cover letter. ... > Broader motivation for the kept four: kernel CI and tooling > already assume Python for kernel-doc, spdxcheck, bpf_doc. > Keeping Perl alive solely for a handful of scripts forces two > runtimes for the same class of tools. Converting the active ones > closes that gap; converting dead ones does not. That is an odd reason - if I'm not wrong then you have zero upstream commits, and now are proposing fundamental changes to tools maintained and used by others? I guess this is 100% LLM work(?).